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    Bucket lister-British trade musket serpent sideplate

    Closed out my 2017 hunts last week and man did I feel luckier than a lucky penny
    when I pulled this intact British trade musket serpent sideplate out of the ground.
    I've seen other examples posted online,but they were mostly broken off pieces.
    Intact side plates are very rare cause first off these british muskets were notorious
    for exploding barrels and so the sideplate would be destroyed in the process.
    Also some Native tribes would "ritualistically" kill the serpent by breaking it into pieces
    and burying it.
    Beginning in 1690 English gun makers used decorative sideplates in place of loops
    and scrolls and by the mid 1700's serpent sideplates were standard on British trade guns.
    These serpent/dragon sideplates became a very important symbol of the fur trade.
    For the Native,it came to mean they were getting the genuine article when they traded
    the twenty or so beaver pelts it took to get a trade gun.
    The snake was also spiritually significant for hunters and ensured fruitful hunting.
    Indians had come to expect the trade gun had this serpent on it.
    No snake,no deal.
    Traders then obviously insisted upon it too.
    Trade guns sporting these sideplates were also know as Northwest or Mackinaw guns.
    I've added a before and after cleaning photos.
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    Last edited by Relicific; Dec 13, 2017 at 09:08 PM.
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    Congrats on a really sweet find. I have seen pieces, but none intact, like yours.

    Best of luck to you.
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    That's a phenomenal find Tony. Never seen a complete one,stunning example!
    BANNER
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    Beautiful,, that's how to close the season.
    Congratulations
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    That is freakin cool. Ill vote Banner as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carolina Tom View Post
    Congrats on a really sweet find. I have seen pieces, but none intact, like yours.

    Best of luck to you.
    Thank you
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    Very cool! I always think I'm pulling out pieces of a gun but it's always junk. Way to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by A2coins View Post
    That is freakin cool. Ill vote Banner as well
    Thank you
    I'm still on cloud nine with this find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aureus View Post
    That's a phenomenal find Tony. Never seen a complete one,stunning example!
    BANNER
    Thank you Anton
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    Quote Originally Posted by against the wind View Post
    Beautiful,, that's how to close the season.
    Congratulations
    Thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene Mean View Post
    Very cool! I always think I'm pulling out pieces of a gun but it's always junk. Way to go
    Thank you
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    Agreed.
    Banner all day.
    How amazing is that?
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    I invite you to visit my profile, look what I've found!

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    Wow ! Is it cast iron? I wonder if it had been removed from the gun and lost. Very cool.
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    Congratulations on your Awesome intact serpent sideplate you found!
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    Congrat's on that beautiful, full dragon! I have many pieces.....but none complete!

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