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    Loads of 17th century clay pipe bowls and stems plus another cool find

    My good buddy Stan once again was a gracious host and invited me and my digging partner Dan to join him in another visit to the huge 1600s dump weve been hitting for years. Its getting harder to find an undisturbed spot, but we went outside the box yesterday by removing a large amount of dead wood from a small area that we figured had never been touched. And as we suspected, it probed out quite nicely and we were soon down to a nice use layer. This spot was quite early as just about every artifact we recovered dated to the 17th century. Our primary mission when digging at this site is to recover monogrammed or dated colonial wine bottle seals as many have been recovered here, and although this large dumping area is normally chock-full of onion bottle glass, today was a different story. Outside of the usual oyster shell and animal bones, the most prevalent find of the day seemed to be clay pipe bowls, and 3 of mine were marked IC for pipemaker James Court (1660-1680), MB for Michael Brown (late 1600s), and an unidentified T. I recovered about 100 pipe stems as well, and I need to spend some time to see if any will match up with the bowls. We all went home with a nice assortment of pipe bowls with many being of the early, bulbous variety. Many domestically produced reddish-brown stems were recovered too which was a bit unusual. I also unearthed the top to a 1600s bellarmine jug that includes the telltale bearded man image along with an asymmetric buckle and tudor rose button. All in all, it was a very fun and exciting day, one that will be hard to duplicate although we certainly plan to expand on that spot on our next visit. Thanks again Stan - we had a blast as usual!

    We had 3 sifters going, and we eventually combined our 3 dig holes into a big "Y" shaped pit.

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    Here's my take for the day with before and after cleaning pics shown ....

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    Here's a few nice examples of complete bowls that I recovered.

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    A close-up of the makers marks that appeared on the bottom of large flat heels.

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    Nearly all of the pipe stems had huge bore diameters indicative of 17th century manufacture.

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    A surprise find was this top to a 1600s bellarmine jug with its distinctive bearded man image. Dan recovered what we believe is the bottom of this vessel, but strangely no other shards were found.

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    A nice asymmetric buckle (missing its central bar) along with a 2-piece button depicting a tudor rose design turned up in my sifter.

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    And finally, an old friend of mine asked if he could meet me at the dig site so that he could purchase one of my new books. When he got there he wanted me to sign it on top of a sifter which was kinda cool. I asked him if he wanted me to smear a little pit dirt on it for effect, but he humorously declined. That was definitely an unusual first for me.

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    Just wanted to let everyone know that my new book is doing great and is well on its way to being sold out with about 900 copies selling in only 3 months, and it's unlikely the remaining inventory will last more than a few weeks. There will definitely not be a 2nd printing, so if you have any interest in obtaining a signed copy I would strongly recommend not delaying. For a detailed description of its contents plus some sample page views you can click on the link below. Many thanks to all those who purchased a copy and helped make this project a success.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BOOK-DI...S/222757030758

    You can also check out the following 15 min video book review posted by Beau Ouimette (Aquachigger) which will provide a much more detailed look at the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX28g69xTM0&t=2s


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    Fantastic collection of old relics, thanks for sharing!

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    Excellent recoveries Bill! Thanks for posting.
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    Strange that particular section of the dump had a high concentration of pipe parts and a low concentration of bottle parts. You would think they would be evenly distributed throughout the dump. The two piece button is interesting for two reasons - (1) it's obviously very early two piece (17th century?) if it came out of the same layer as the other 17th century items, and (2) there are no vent holes that I can see. Does it have a drilled eye shank?
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    Half Reals = 29
    1 Reals = 11
    2 Reales = 6
    8 Reales = 1
    2 Reale Cobs = 2
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    1797 & 1803 Draped Bust Dimes
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    1827 Capped Bust dime
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    great recoveries! The book is great too.... My hunting partner is S.C Keith.
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    1853 Trime
    1851 Large cent,1840 large cent
    6lb canon ball
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    S.C button
    Regiment Artillerists button 1811-1813
    Union Naval shell fuse
    Eagle I button,Eagle over canon button 1812
    Colonial cuff links intact
    1860 Indian Head fatty, 1859 fatty indian head
    1743 King George
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    1869 V nickel
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    Looks like you all had a great time.
    Nice relics
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    Yar! There be treasure everywhere!
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    Very neat, I like the old TOP to the bottle the most!
    Let history be your treasure map .

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    What a great hunt, too bad the jug wasn't complete....But I wouldn't complain

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    Wow Bill. As usual Im floored by your pits. Im yet to find a spot that is a fraction of the likes of what youre digging, but Ill get there eventually (with hope). You make it look easy but we mustnt forget your years of experience and skill. Im always inspired by that.

    Sweet job moving the trees and brush. Sometimes taking a half hour and some sweat to move some trees is time well spent. The best part is you had your mule Dan to lift entire trees in his own. Lol.


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    Running totals:

    Hammered Silvers - 2
    Hammered Coppers - 1
    Milled Spanish Silver - 14
    Transitional US State Coppers - 9
    United States Cent/Half cent Coppers - 126
    British & Other colonial Coppers - 102
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    Thanks for sharing. I always look forward to your posts! Each post is a history lesson indeed.

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    What is that square glass piece in your box of goodies? Looks like an ink.

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    Great job Bill. That's some inspiring work. Hopefully I'll be able to excavate my first trash pit next year.
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    Awesome finds, the bellarmine with the bearded man is awesome! Glad you were able to get back in there. That is one of my favorite sites of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by villagenut View Post
    What is that square glass piece in your box of goodies? Looks like an ink.
    That certainly does look like an ink, but it's just the bottom of a small case bottle with a spout laid on top. Sorry for the false excitement.
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    Just wanted to let everyone know that my new book is doing great and is well on its way to being sold out with about 900 copies selling in only 3 months, and it's unlikely the remaining inventory will last more than a few weeks. There will definitely not be a 2nd printing, so if you have any interest in obtaining a signed copy I would strongly recommend not delaying. For a detailed description of its contents plus some sample page views you can click on the link below. Many thanks to all those who purchased a copy and helped make this project a success.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BOOK-DI...S/222757030758

    You can also check out the following 15 min video book review posted by Beau Ouimette (Aquachigger) which will provide a much more detailed look at the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX28g69xTM0&t=2s


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    Well Mr. Bill, it looks like you guys went loaded for Bear.
    Very nicely coordinated. I got a feeling that you're going to pull a Banner find out of a return trip to that site.
    Congratulations on your finds.
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