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  1. #91
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    Thanks again! I may have to man up and send it in and see what happens. They'll probably scratch their heads and tell me they have no clue. No resolution and kiss my $50 goodbye! LOL!

    I'd just hate to see it chip away into oblivion because someone else manhandled it. If I trash it, that's the way it goes. But if it gets destroyed in the mail or at someone else's hands, that would annoy the heck out of me. I'll think about it, though...

  2. #92
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  3. #93
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    I still believe its the real deal, but either way it has my banner vote. Simply put, the thought of finding a coin like this is THE motivation for many of us to pick up the detector.

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    Congrats on the banner!! Good luck with sending it in, if you decided to do it. I am almost sure that it's the real deal, the 1862 counterfeit looks to be much rarer than the original actually. I can't even find photos of a copper example of the 1862 counterfeit on the internet, and only one silver example!
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  5. #95
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    Congrats on the banner, it looks great up there.
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    Congrats on making banner! I'm one of a number of members that do not think all that highly of authentication and grading services, especially for dug coins. I do recall one member posting a worn, oxidized Highley Copper that was submitted to a grading service. It came back no grade, no positive identification - just a charge to the member's credit card. Need convincing? My Oak Tree Shilling, a Spiny Tree, Noe-14 (one of the most recognizable varieties of Mass Silver) was assigned the wrong variety by NCS (NGC). Need more convincing? Check this out.

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    It appears that the experts at NGC can't tell the difference between Roman Numerals XII and III. These are the so-called experts. I believe that you would be far better to concentrate on conserving and preserving the coin yourself. Get some recommendations and make an informed decision on how to proceed. I'm a big believer in the use of mineral oil for halting the flaking process that you've observed thus far. Lots of good advice can be found here on T-Net. Good Luck!
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    One of the most awesome finds I've ever seen! Congrats!
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  8. #98
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    Wow, I finally made banner! Only took me 4 1/2 years to pull it off! LOL! Thanks to everyone who voted for it! Takes the sting out of the 15 inches of snow I'm looking at in my yard! The snow giveth and the snow taketh away! But I know where I found this puppy and I'll be searching that area with a fine tooth comb ASAP! Thanks again!

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    I am almost sure that it's the real deal, the 1862 counterfeit looks to be much rarer than the original actually. I can't even find photos of a copper example of the 1862 counterfeit on the internet, and only one silver example!
    Yup, that's my thought process as well. There's only 65 counterfeit copies compared to probably thousands of the original. Either way, it's a rare find, so I'm happy as a clam!
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  10. #100
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    Silver Tree Chaser, yup that's the way I'm looking at it as well. I'm not going to sell it, so it really doesn't matter to me if it's real or not. I managed to slip it into a snap-tie holder, so it should be reasonably safe now.

  11. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Tree Chaser View Post
    I do recall one member posting a worn, oxidized Highley Copper that was submitted to a grading service. It came back no grade, no positive identification - just a charge to the member's credit card.
    They also "cleaned it" for him, and making it look worse than before according to the OP.
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    165? french liard
    1696 1774 1730s 17?? copper
    1723 irish penny
    1730 KG coin toy
    2x AU 1803 LC
    1722 1/2 Penny
    1779, 1781 Real, ? 1 Real
    NJ Copper 1786
    1805,1838 LC
    26 Coppers 17 colonial
    175 1720-1850 buttons
    40 Musket Balls
    1906 1912 1934 dog Lics
    16 1700s Buckles 1 silver
    2 1700s spigot
    3 Thimbles 1 silver
    Cleaning Finds:
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  12. #102
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    Okay, this is the last time I ever touch this coin! From now on, it sits in my relics drawer, safe and reasonably sound. As you can see, just picking it up and placing it in the holder cost me some meat on the edges of the coin.

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  13. #103
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    Congrats on the banner! That’s what I did with my fugio after a quick dip
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  14. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBirdTim View Post
    Okay, this is the last time I ever touch this coin! From now on, it sits in my relics drawer, safe and reasonably sound. As you can see, just picking it up and placing it in the holder cost me some meat on the edges of the coin.

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    HUGE congrats on this incredible coin and the banner. It looks relatively stable in this airtite container picture. I use airtites with black foam rings that you order by the mm and mic my coppers before picking out an airtite to fit it in. The foam will keep it from moving around in there and knocking into the plastic.

    You should absolutely speak to someone well versed in these coppers. I do not recommend you do this, but I have stabilized coppers in the same way I stabilize pewters, with a mixture of elmers and water. This matron was in very wet acidic soil and the only detail left was in a patina that wanted to peel off. I treated it just as I would a pewter button and it is stable. Elmer's is water soluble and therefore reversible if necessary. I'd personally rather have something visually pleasing and IDable, than a blank disk.

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    However your bar copper doesn't look anywhere close to as toasted as the ones I do that with. It looks fine in that airtite, so I wouldn't mess with it, but rather speak to someone who can advise you on stabilizing it and authenticating it.

  15. #105
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    I own a real deal Bar Cent. I have been fascinated with them since I saw a picture when I was 9 or 10 years old. They are rumored to be patterned after the continental Army coat button. They are technically not currency of any denomination but was traded as a penny and got it nickname "The Bar Cent" The real deal is not thin like a dime and yours appears to be very light in weight. That said, there was not just one counterfeiter but many and a lot more then 65? counterfeits exist. The cent is too corroded to see if the "thorn" is at the end of the second bar This would be the ringer tell tale absolutely original determining factor and it appears to be lost. The second but not absolute determiner would be the S under the A Which there is too much crud on the coin to see in your picture. Most I say Most of the fakes the line for the A does not travel over the top of the S. SO if you see the line of the A visible and raised as it passes over the S, based on the location found I would be comfortable in telling myself it is real. If there is no Line over the S to make a complete A You have a fake. Either way, it is a fascinating and incredible coin and find!
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