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    Tough one, there is not a lot of source references that I know of for these types of buckles. Your's could be 18th C, but the academics broadly date them to 1750-1850. They are most like Military related but once again I've only read a connection to the Royal Navy. So I can't help more than that, as they are not in any books I own.

    The Canon I can't really help with much as its not a typical 18th-19th C type with the fuse hole on top. Because of this, which is a big deal to these working models, I think it's later.
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    Hey, has anyone noticed that the first photo looks like a victorian pop top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER View Post
    Tough one, there is not a lot of source references that I know of for these types of buckles. Your's could be 18th C, but the academics broadly date them to 1750-1850. They are most like Military related but once again I've only read a connection to the Royal Navy. So I can't help more than that, as they are not in any books I own.

    The Canon I can't really help with much as its not a typical 18th-19th C type with the fuse hole on top. Because of this, which is a big deal to these working models, I think it's later.
    Thank you sir.
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    In my opinion, there is no doubt that this is a cannon and likely an early one that was a kids toy. Just how early I can't say. I'm sure there are some experts that could confirm its age and purpose. Great find regardless.
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    the disc with the perforated pattern is from an oil lamp. I have several but they are all English Military1880 -1900 will look later to see if its the same pattern.

    Chub

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    Well wether it fired or not it is a cannon. And based on where I found it. Is likely 1700s. Still glad to have it
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    silver coins to date= 314, large coppers= 47, best coin 1836 capped bust quarter in au condition. best button= nc button only a few exist, favorite= 1733 spanish cob, 3 early 1700s cut spanish silver, 1794 colonial Italian silver, 1757 half real, 1783 half real

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    Quote Originally Posted by chub View Post
    the disc with the perforated pattern is from an oil lamp. I have several but they are all English Military1880 -1900 will look later to see if its the same pattern.

    Chub
    I know what your saying about the oil lamp plate as I have found one before but this is a button as it has a shank on the back
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    silver coins to date= 314, large coppers= 47, best coin 1836 capped bust quarter in au condition. best button= nc button only a few exist, favorite= 1733 spanish cob, 3 early 1700s cut spanish silver, 1794 colonial Italian silver, 1757 half real, 1783 half real

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    the brass cannon is an interesting find. Small signal cannons where used in early times right through the civil war, but that cannon is much to small to be a signal cannon in my opinion.

    I have a civil war signal cannon which is made in the same fashion of a larger working size Dahlgren cannon.
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    This model weighs 50 lbs and has a .9375 smooth bore.

    What about a model for manufacture of a larger cannon? Have you tried to find a comparable design in a working size cannon? That may tell you the time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabstang44 View Post
    Well wether it fired or not it is a cannon. And based on where I found it. Is likely 1700s. Still glad to have it
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    Please tell me this is a real colonial toy cannon.

    Does the top look similar to this?
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    I found this one at a site that is on a 1776 map but was there likely until maybe 1850. A friend of mine found one in the same immediate area that is for sure 18th Century and has the traditional placement of the hole. This is the one he found with the traditional touch home placement that is in the 18th Century style.
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    I still have no clue how early mine is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahab8 View Post
    Does the top look similar to this?
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    I found this one at a site that is on a 1776 map but was there likely until maybe 1850. A friend of mine found one in the same immediate area that is for sure 18th Century and has the traditional placement of the hole. This is the one he found with the traditional touch home placement that is in the 18th Century style.
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    I still have no clue how early mine is
    Yes, mine has the same rear end or at least very close, i added a pic of the rear also
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    silver coins to date= 314, large coppers= 47, best coin 1836 capped bust quarter in au condition. best button= nc button only a few exist, favorite= 1733 spanish cob, 3 early 1700s cut spanish silver, 1794 colonial Italian silver, 1757 half real, 1783 half real

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    Quote Originally Posted by AARC View Post
    Beings I have been surrounded by antiquities my entire life... and not just "antiques"... but rare cannon and salvaged items of super rarity hundreds of years old... I have areas of expertise... one of which IS cannon... I grew up sitting ... climbing... eating my dinner on cannons.

    Now,,, I only say this in response to the "expert" statement.

    I can say this... there are 2 people on this site who know cannon... and I am one of them.
    All types.
    All sizes.

    NOW,,, tha does not mean I know everything... NOR does it totally rule this out as being a toy cannon... FOR... I learn new things everyday... and also see new things from time to time as well

    Anyway... Bah.

    Me... age ? ... with one of my "pets". :P

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    Sheesh... I had a cannon for a pet once. (thought it was better than a rock)
    Cool pic, if you happen to figure out anything else let me know, i added a pic of the rear, to me the back looks like where you add a fuse, why else a little hole, i will keep hoping its real until i know for 100%. By the way thank you for all your input; also what do you think of the buckle?
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    silver coins to date= 314, large coppers= 47, best coin 1836 capped bust quarter in au condition. best button= nc button only a few exist, favorite= 1733 spanish cob, 3 early 1700s cut spanish silver, 1794 colonial Italian silver, 1757 half real, 1783 half real

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    Great great finds I love both the buckle and the cannon.
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