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  1. #46
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    Oct 2018
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    LOL..very nice find Dug Life...do you have any additional back story on the find...not to challenge your find’s provenience but as you can see from the many posts and replies on the board that the folks here value the story of the find just about as much as the find itself...again very nice find...good luck with your hunts. Walt
    Last edited by WG2020; Aug 14, 2019 at 03:35 PM.

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    What people like to hear is the backstory. House built what year...found with...what?...been there x many times before or first time, that type of thing. Did you look for the other part, etc? Any dated coins? What detector were you using? That's all. Nothing about questioning the find itself.
    Last edited by smokeythecat; Aug 14, 2019 at 03:43 PM.

  3. #48
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    Thatís a great find
    Congrats
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  4. #49
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    Check when antiques road show is coming your way or neighboring city for that matter. They would love to get a hold of that piece + free appraisal.
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  5. #50

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    By the time George was recruited to General he was incredibly wealthy, Martha was quite a catch. I agree with Paleomax that he would have worn the highest quality shoes, buckles, clothing of any upper echelon gentleman of the time. Still a sweet find and could potentially be from a Rev War period supporter. Congrats!
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  6. #51
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    Outstanding find, sure hope others can help in the ID.

  7. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Dug Life Metal Detecting View Post
    I never said it did prove any thing...... I said it could be a possibility. I have an idea....prove it wasnt.
    Not that I'm interested in getting involved in any argument...but I will. Unfortunately that's not the way it works with provenance. Provenance needs to be proven...not unproven. Regardless, it's a fantastic find and should be on the banner.
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  8. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dug Life Metal Detecting View Post
    Actually....when you start doing the research its not as far fetched as it seems... The area the buckle was found was inhabited bya number of early American politics... The Meriwether Lewis family... The Johnson Family (vice pres Richard Johnson) LaFayette was here.... The Taylors where here.... GWs personal powder flask was willed to a Lewis descendant that was less than 15 miles from the spot. The Washingtons where god parents to the Lewis children. All the families intermarried...
    We know that Pattison was a tinsmith from Berlin Conn.
    Which was frequented by Washington regularly. He was also commisioned to produce articles for Washingtons military... It may not have been a piece that belonged to GW himself...... then again.. it very well could have
    Extremely interesting find. Congrats ! I'm speculating/thinking outside the box a bit, but it may not necessarily be a shoe or hat buckle. It could be a piece/buckle that broke off of some sort of gear or accessory. Possibilities like a horse bridle/halter/stirrup etc., canteen strap, saddle or an aforementioned powder flask strap for example. Interesting that "General Washington" was engraved on the piece to be seen from two perspectives/views. Upside down/right side up, & from right or left.

    You've done much research & know the history. We know that GW never set foot in Kentucky but his family & friends did. I'm sure GW had many items custom made for him either by his own commission or as gifts from others to honor him & his service. It stands to reason that many of his personal items were given to others while he was alive & willed to others after his death. Family would be a logical choice to have received most of his stuff.

    The following text & images are a few things I dug out that might be helpful to you in your quest to zero in on things:
    "Betty Washington Lewis married Fielding Lewis, a widower with three children, on 7 May 1750. The couple had eleven children with six surviving to adulthood and the family included: Step-son John Lewis born 22 June 1747 in Fredericksburg, Virginia and died 23 November 1825 in Russellville, Logan County, Kentucky. He married five times. During his lifetime, he spent time in Fredericksburg, Virginia. He also lived and had land holdings in Spotsylvania County, Culpeper County, and Loudoun County, Virginia, as well as Logan County, Kentucky. He served as land agent for his Uncle George Washington. He was a revolutionary war patriot."

    As you can see, John Lewis, GW's sister's step-son, Was GW's land agent. We know that GW owned 5,000 acres+ in Kentucky though he never went there.
    It is logical to assume that GW interacted with his sister & her family & probably sent them "things" over the years.
    Link to GW's sister & family: https://bettywashingtonlewis.blogspo...ngton-and.html

    Also, I did put together a crappy photoshop job of your piece as I imagine it would have looked like when it was whole, before it broke off of something. In my judgement, because of the contour of your piece it may, and I say "MAY", have looked like my image. (pure guess & speculation) See image below.
    Congrats on your very cool find & thanks for sharing it and your research & speculations. Happy hunting & CHEERS !! J.T.G.
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  9. #54

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    That not totally true.... there are accounts of him surveying lands of Virginia that would eventually be Kentucky... Also....the Rev Gano that baptisted GW ended up In ...... Georgetown... Im not implying that he personal wore the buckle.... but the fact that it might have been made for him... by Pattison... and then passed on to others in his circle of confidants is quite the possibility. I have never once stated it was his "personal" buckle. As a popular figure in Colonial times im sure he was on the recieving end of many gifts.
    Call it what you like... its one of a kind.... with an intersting back story that will probably never be told (my wife says otherwise as she i pouring through family lineages and local history).

  10. #55

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    What an amazing find! It looks like youíre only missing a small piece to make it complete, I would be pounding that site hard! But then I bet youíve been doing that already.....

  11. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve in PA View Post
    We also know that Washington never set foot in Kentucky.....
    not totally true.... there are accounts of him surveying lands of Virginia that would eventually be Kentucky... Also....the Rev Gano that baptisted GW ended up In ...... Georgetown... Im not implying that he personal wore the buckle.... but the fact that it might have been made for him... by Pattison... and then passed on to others in his circle of confidants is quite the possibility. I have never once stated it was his "personal" buckle. As a popular figure in Colonial times im sure he was on the recieving end of many gifts.
    Call it what you like... its one of a kind.... with an intersting back story that will probably never be told (my wife says otherwise as she i pouring through family lineages and local history).

  12. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeythecat View Post
    What people like to hear is the backstory. House built what year...found with...what?...been there x many times before or first time, that type of thing. Did you look for the other part, etc? Any dated coins? What detector were you using? That's all. Nothing about questioning the find itself.
    The house is long gone..... last mention is on 1879 map. Original land grant is still trying to be located. Other artifacts in the ground suggest the dwelling was inhabited by people of higher stature (shards of porcelain and glass) Tombacs and early brass flat buttons have been found. Large cents ranging from 1846 to 1853 are the only coinage to date to come from this field. Also pre civil war military buttons. This is an extremely old area in Scott County Ky.... area of the first permanent settlement by Robert Johnson...father of Richard Johnson (Ill let you figure out the significance). All finds are with ATPro. For more pictures of relics you can go to Dug Life Metal Detecting fb page...

  13. #58
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    I took a look at the facebook page. Most of what you have from the site is early to mid 19th century, including some of the buttons. The few earlier buttons were easily used much later than 1800. My dad had a "button box" and I found 18th century buttons in them!

    With your 19th century context for most of your finds, with a hand engraved late 18th century shoe buckle engraved as such, the people who lived there probably had it as a souvenir.

  14. #59
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    Very exciting find. Congrats!

  15. #60

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    Nice period tribute piece. From what Iíve read about Washington I donít think heíd wear something so gaudy with his name written on them. If they were made for him, he was a generous man and may have given them away as a gift.

 

 
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