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    KG II Half Penny Turns out to be RARE Machin's Mills Variety!

    When I first pulled this out of the ground I thought it was a standard KGII half penny. Always a welcome find, but it wasn't until I stated cleaning it up that I noticed it was a little underweight and the date looked odd. The relief on the coin isn't too great and I lost some of the patina on the raised sections, but there is still enough detail to see that KGII face is way off:

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    For comparison, here's what a regal 1747 half penny would look like:

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    Counterfeits are pretty common, but if it isn't a KGIII I usually assume they're British made. However there is exactly one known Machin's Mills KGII variety and I went to check it against it and sure enough:

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    It's a Vlack 1-47A which is an R5, only 35-75 known!

    It's believed that this die variety was struck in 1787 and released alongside the more plentiful counterfeit KGIII half pennies of Machin's Mills. It's unclear why they didn't strike more KGII types, but perhaps they weren't as readily accepted since KGII half pennies still in circulation would have been pretty worn at that point and these newly struck ones would have been particularly suspicious.

    Oddly this was the only colonial find in the spot, but the property is quite old. I'll have to scour the yard a bit more and see if there's any other coppers hiding deep down, but for now this is an excellent find that I'm very happy about!
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    Wow BANNER I'm happy for you that's an amazing find and great info and story that's really cool congrats can it be my turn next lol my town was founded in 1826 so highly doubt it. But I still hope .Great job. Tommy
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    Wow BANNER I'm happy for you that's an amazing find and great info and story that's really cool congrats can it be my turn next lol my town was founded in 1826 so highly doubt it. Great job. Tommy
    Thank you! And I found a 1723 half penny in a town that was first settled in 1760 so you never know. Keep looking!
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    My banner nomination is in too. Congrats!
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    sweet kg!!
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    Congrats on the Machin Mills coin. They are fun to find. I have found 2 myself. Keep on finding the great stuff !!!!
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    That's is a awesome save, looks like descent detail there, congratulations & GL returning to the site
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    Killer rare old copper find, thank you for sharing!
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    Good stuff! Always feels great to find something old and rare. Nice!!
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    Very Nice!!! Congrats!!!��
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    Nice one! Congrats......Hogge
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    Really nice old copper find....Congrats
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    That’s awesome!
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