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    Great find.
    Enjoyed the history lesson too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcopperstax View Post
    This sounds like a good theory but the back of the "ingot" has what appears to be a textile pattern.... Maybe it could be the result of both theories: The extra shot was put in the pot with the ingot. Then the lump was put in a cloth bag, then the bag caught fire or was close enough to the fire to leave a print on the ingot? The idea of the pouch being near the fire seems more plausible to me... I don't think a metal pot would have that pattern.
    Nope, the bottom has a textured pattern from slag at the bottom of the pot and natural wrinkling of the lead as it cools. I have made many of the exact items myself.
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    Congratulations on your find. Well done!
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    Very interesting! One of my ancestors was killed in the battle of Attleborough Gorge during King Phillip's War.

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    Great story and pictures thank you
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    That’s a great post chock full of interesting facts.
    Awesome relic recovery
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  9. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER View Post
    Nice, an Historical event that actually matches your evidence - CONGRATS. (so many times I've read wishful thinking on here or ill conceived conclusions - not this time!)
    Cru - Thanks for the compliment. I would have liked to provide further details concerning the history of the site, especially in reply to some of the naysayers on this thread, but I'm ever mindful of providing too much information.
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  10. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by rsilva02667 View Post
    Another amazing recovery Jim! The best part is that the right person found it. I feel most guys would have discarded this find and your probably the only one that could have completed the connection with all your research. Your a valuable asset to this hobby and history in general! Keep up the great work!
    Ray - Good the hear from you!
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  11. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by NHBandit View Post
    Being a direct descendant of Captain Samuel Wadsworth who was killed in the "Sudbury Fight" this is a great post ! Many years ago I read a story in one of the treasure magazines about a guy who found his signet ring near the scene of the battle.
    I've seen that ring. It's quite impressive. Hank Philips is the guy who found it.
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    Awesome description and photos! Nothing better than uncovering artifacts that add context to an historical event.
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    Excellent thread, research, and very clear images. Congratulations and thank you for posting.

    The only thing I think I can add is that the blackened remnant on the curved part of the lead clump does look like the fibers from wood (possibly decayed or burned?). It also appears to be embedded in the lead somewhat. A piece of wood could certainly have ended up on the bottom of a pouch and the melting lead circled around it.
    Last edited by PetesPockets55; Mar 27, 2020 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoW View Post
    Heck of an imagination!

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    Heck of an insult.
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  15. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by gunsil View Post
    Fascinating story!! Your "ingot" with the lead balls fused to it is the remnants from the bottom of a lead pot which had imperfect balls thrown back in for the next melt. I have made many of these in my years of casting balls for muzzle loading guns. This is why the bottom of your mass is curved. I also have the same things with imperfect lead sinkers fused to the lead since I cast most of my own sinkers.
    I welcome any productive comments and suggestions; however, your thought on the “bottom of a lead pot” (I assume you not referring to an actual pot of lead) ignores the evidence mentioned in the original post - the charred wood and embers found elsewhere on the site and on the bottom of the ingot, the scorched black glass, the other fragment of lead with a crisscross impression that was not bowl-shaped, and the burning of the dwelling on the site which is well-documented. If I were to challenge another member’s research and identification of a find, I certainly would not be as glib as you have been. Your experience in making lead balls or whatever is just that – some experience. It doesn’t make you an authority or a subject matter expert.
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