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  1. #16
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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Congrats, BuckleBoy, on your 2-Center, and on taking those great pics of the purple field.

    With the looks of a field that large, it would seem hard to have it worked out in a day's hunting. I bet there's another copper or two still hiding there.

    HH,
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    Dan

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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Quote Originally Posted by Captn_SE
    Congrats, BuckleBoy, on your 2-Center, and on taking those great pics of the purple field.

    With the looks of a field that large, it would seem hard to have it worked out in a day's hunting.  I bet there's another copper or two still hiding there.

    HH,
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    Dan
    Dan,

    The house site finds in fields like these are generally confined to a smaller area--an area that was once fenced in as "yard" or at least saw the great majority of the foot traffic around the house.  That's why we feel that finding the first "hot spot" isn't good enough.  We have to get a sense of the site first--and find the boundaries after which the iron signals--as well as the finds--taper off dramatically.  It is quite impossible to do this after working the site heavily.  Of course a coin can be dropped anywhere in a farmer's fields...but these are like needles in the haystack in a field this size.  So we first pinpoint the house...and if we feel that there are still occasional finds made on out from that spot then we certainly canvass that area working three to five detectorists spread out as we traverse the field.  Many times, we walk in and out of the areas producing relics and coins trying to get an idea of where the house sat in the middle of a field that bears no trace of a foundation or anything.  Then we pretty much get down to the "meat and potatoes" of the hunt--working the housesite itself.  Sometimes we stumble on a barn site first--which can take up part of our time...but those spots deserve searching too, and it tells us we're close to the house site even though we know from the kinds of things we're finding that we are on a barn instead.  So in reply, this field isn't "worked out" of course--I'm sure that there are some "random drops" somewhere in the field...but it would take a hunt with 20 detectorists to thoroughly search a field that big.  If we can get a team of Tnetters together, they're more than welcome to take a tour of such fields--we have many of them that might have needle in a haystack finds somewhere...the fields are just so big that we have realized through trial and error that we have to find the spot first.  Otherwise it can be pretty overwhelming.  Just takes patience and self-control to find the spot--figure out if it was the house or some other outbuilding site, find the parameters of the artifact distribution, and only then start the serious gridding.  I'm the type of guy that can't sleep at night unless I'm certain that I had worked a site out pretty darned well--but fields this big--with no sense of where old fence rows were--are a little much for a team this size (and in my experience, the finds farther away from the housesite are quite thin). 

    Regards,


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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Great hunt and nicely written up for the post. I like that pic of the purple field too. Must be way out in the boonies. No center line in the road!! At least its not a dirt road. Congrats to all on the hunt. I'm going to do a little research on the coppa in question but dont hold your breath...I haven't the faintest idea where to start
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    What about his one BB? Agriculture copper. L66 HT24 Page 373 in the 2008 Red Book. Value is as follows....VF--$200 EF--$275...AU--$700. If thats what it is its a nice find. I just cant quite make out enough detail to really tell. Hope this helps.

    Rob
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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Nice going guys, Hey can you do a pencil etching of the coppa I have an idea but pretty vague right now.
    Thanks, Ray
    Take care of a little and you'll end up with alot

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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    BB,
    First off, what fantastic pictures you took! Both the scenery and the closeups are great. What a beautiful hunting spot.
    Great finds for sure. You'll be gridding that place for a looooooooooooooooooooong time.
    On that unidentified coin/token, I swear I see either "OLTERA" or "OLTURA" on that word. I'm pretty sure there is an "A" at the end, not an "E".
    Can't wait to see the answer.
    Congrats,
    MM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolution
    I'm going to do a little research on the coppa in question but dont hold your breath...I haven't the faintest idea where to start
    You and me both! I'm totally stumped. I'm still trying to make out a word or two on the coin... I agree with an earlier member that said that there should be enough there to ID...but since it's not one of the usual "culprits" it makes things more difficult.

    I'll check this ID, Evolution and see if it works...Is there a diameter for that token listed, Evo? This coin is 28mm in diameter. And I'll try to get a pencil rubbing of the coin. It's at Rodeo's house right now.


    -Buckles
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by Evolution
    I'm going to do a little research on the coppa in question but dont hold your breath...I haven't the faintest idea where to start
    You and me both! I'm totally stumped. I'm still trying to make out a word or two on the coin... I agree with an earlier member that said that there should be enough there to ID...but since it's not one of the usual "culprits" it makes things more difficult.

    I'll check this ID, Evolution and see if it works...Is there a diameter for that token listed, Evo? This coin is 28mm in diameter. And I'll try to get a pencil rubbing of the coin. It's at Rodeo's house right now.


    -Buckles
    This was just a guess BB because I can see much detail on the coin/token. But I figured the word "Agriculture" might fit. The only mention of size at all in this section of the book is this. And I quote....."Hard Times tokens, as they are called, are mostly the size of a contemporary large copper cent". No measurements in mm.
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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Thanks, Evolution.

    As I recall, the Braided Hair LC's were 27.5mm...  If you run across anything else that has writing around the rim on both sides, containing the word "Agriculture" let me know if you wouldn't mind.  I keep thinking I see scroll work or perhaps a floral design or fleur de lis on that side of the coin--but perhaps that's the corrosion playing tricks on me...


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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Thanks, Evolution.

    As I recall, the Braided Hair LC's were 27.5mm... If you run across anything else that has writing around the rim on both sides, containing the word "Agriculture" let me know if you wouldn't mind. I keep thinking I see scroll work or perhaps a floral design or fleur de lis on that side of the coin--but perhaps that's the corrosion playing tricks on me...


    Regards,


    Buckleboy
    I'll keep my eye peeled BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolution
    I'll keep my eye peeled BB.
    LOL! Thanks! I'll keep my eye peeled too. Arrrrrr!
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    Here's another possibility (T. Duseaman, 1837):

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    A little more likely if I'm seeing the floral pattern I think I'm seeing...The rim is similar too (thicker rim, but smaller denticles) but I still see a distinct curlycue on the coin under the "C" in "CULTURE," and this design doesn't fit the bill either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Here's another possibility (T. Duseaman, 1837):

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    A little more likely if I'm seeing the floral pattern I think I'm seeing...The rim is similar too (thicker rim, but smaller denticles) but I still see a distinct curlycue on the coin under the "C" in "CULTURE," and this design doesn't fit the bill either.



    Here's whats throwing me off. It's the I N T at least thats what it looks like right here. The Agriculture token I attached doesn't seem to match that. What does the other side of the one you just posted look like?
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    Re: Iron Brigade up and Running: Our 2 Cents' Worth and MORE

    Way to go, Buckles for Jesus, on the 1864 two-center. You are a top-notch hunter...and rasearcher.

    There is probably a Seated half dime in that field.

    Keep the fever high, Buck!

    Kyle
    Those early PA settlers did too much and that is why coppas are found in abundance!

    The Three Datectateers will miles to find the Colonial "stuff"!

    KirkKyleChris (KKC) and to those long-forgotten, coppa-dropping settlers!

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    Evolution,

    I see what you mean...That "T" on the reverse of the photo below is oriented inward and on the reverse of the dug one, it faces out. Also no denticles on the reverse side of the photo below... So back to the drawing board on my guess...but yours still holds as far as the writing goes. You're right about the "INT" I'm going to stare at that for a while just to make sure that's what it is. It's the design I'm worried about. So I am going to put further research on hold until I post better photos in the meantime.

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    OUR 2014 YEAR-END POST:
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    OUR 2012 YEAR END POST:
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    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my signatures were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

 

 
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