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    1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Updated Pics WOW!

    It's been a long dry spell for me but today changed everything. My brother and I decided to try exploring for a new spot and found a DANDY! After following a stone wall deep in an area we've always had good luck in, we came across a foundation we never knew of. 15 mins into it I found this. Right outa da ground I could read the date! I knew I had a fabulous coin that was going to clean up nice. I have only hit it with water and a soft toothbrush but WHAT DETAIL! The scans still show alot of crud, but holding it in my hand under light it LOOKS MINT! I MEAN MINT!!!!! Every tiny detail shows! The leaves in the damn trees even! Every letter, the eyes in the sun,the small little lines in the back support for the plow, the lines in the rays around the eye. EVERYTHING IS SHARP. And you should see it under magnification! If you look at the pic in the Red Book, thats exactly what it looks likeand maybe even better. I'm not kidding. I'm afraid to put it in peroxide so I need it proffessionally cleaned. It looks like it was just minted. Struck on a beautifully round planchet and very well centered.(as alot of vermonts were NOT). I still don't believe it. I was shaking when I started to look at it right out of the ground. Had to have a smoke to calm down. If you guys could see this thing under light you would freak. I'm going to definitely have it proffessionally cleaned. Anyone recommend where I can send this to? I currently have an order being graded at ANACS and can usually come close to most grades. This one HAS to be VF or better! The scanner I use sucks. The first 2 picks are from straight out of the ground. The next are after water. Oh ya, found some other stuff too! LOL- AWSOME link Evolution.
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    1783 CFT. KG III 1/2 Penny (25-83A)-1 of 3 known *Sold $3,750, Vermont Landscape Coppers Ryder 6 *Sold $760, Ryder7 (Avatar)** Sold $1,275*,1st Batt Royal Artillery Cartridge Box Sling Belt Tip* SOLD $1,583*,(3)- GW Inaugural Buttons-2-Cobb# 17-J.* Sold both--$405 and $400. *GW Button Cobb 17-I-*Sold $316- New Jersey Copper M14-J Sold $125- Continental Army Button *Sold $800.....To be continued

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    Feb 2007
    Arlington Heights, IL
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    WOW!! What an awesome find I see more great finds in your future

    Take care,
    watercolor

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    us
    Aug 2007
    Topsham, Vermont
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    WOW ! Very nice !!!!!! VPR


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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    That appears to be an awesome find, even though I have no idea what you found (I have never seen one before). Hopefully you can get it cleaned and repost some pics

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    Sep 2005
    Cleveland, OH
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Wow, Hogge. Even without looking at the Redbook I can tell that is an AWESOME find! That is what is so exciting about hunting in Massachusetts. You come across coins like this that are almost impossible elsewhere. I see a vacation next summer in the Berkshires!

    Ok, just checked. I think it's safe to say this will make the Banner. $1200+ coin I would estimate. Wow. Sure beats Nate's "half dime" pocket spill.

    Bob
    Minelab Exp II, Whites DFX, Whites Classic III(former Tejon, CoinStrike & Quattro user)

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    us
    Aug 2008
    Southeastern PA
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Great find How deep was it?
    Ry

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    us
    Jun 2008
    Cypress Texas
    Ace 150
    65

    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    are these scans or pics?

    I want to believe you on the level of detail, but from the pics (which I hope are scans) I just don't see it.

    Regardless, I wouldn't do any cleaning on this one other than water. And I would send it off to be professionally restored. If it is in fact a VF then you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500. There's quite a bit of dropoff going to the F grade but still would be worth it in my book.

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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Pappagiorgio
    Did you Hunt with Golden1... or is he with Rico now ...

    Dude that is Righteous Coinage ...

    Do you need the Suave ... Give me the AOK

    Nick
    You know RICO is ALL mine Nick. We should hunt on Sat. with pics of us both to follow. Rock On! Found some other nice relics on this hunt and will post later. Peace
    1783 CFT. KG III 1/2 Penny (25-83A)-1 of 3 known *Sold $3,750, Vermont Landscape Coppers Ryder 6 *Sold $760, Ryder7 (Avatar)** Sold $1,275*,1st Batt Royal Artillery Cartridge Box Sling Belt Tip* SOLD $1,583*,(3)- GW Inaugural Buttons-2-Cobb# 17-J.* Sold both--$405 and $400. *GW Button Cobb 17-I-*Sold $316- New Jersey Copper M14-J Sold $125- Continental Army Button *Sold $800.....To be continued

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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyjarhead
    That appears to be an awesome find, even though I have no idea what you found (I have never seen one before). Hopefully you can get it cleaned and repost some pics
    1786 Vermont Copper of the "Vermontensium" variety.
    1783 CFT. KG III 1/2 Penny (25-83A)-1 of 3 known *Sold $3,750, Vermont Landscape Coppers Ryder 6 *Sold $760, Ryder7 (Avatar)** Sold $1,275*,1st Batt Royal Artillery Cartridge Box Sling Belt Tip* SOLD $1,583*,(3)- GW Inaugural Buttons-2-Cobb# 17-J.* Sold both--$405 and $400. *GW Button Cobb 17-I-*Sold $316- New Jersey Copper M14-J Sold $125- Continental Army Button *Sold $800.....To be continued

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    Aug 2008
    Southeast Iowa
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    VERY, VERY nice !!!! Congrats!

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    us
    Apr 2006
    PA
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    WAHOOOOOOOO, that Vermont coppa is AMAZING! I seek and find coppas and Colonial relics with an extreme passion! You, buddy, scored on a 103-yard kickoff return on that recovery!

    Now, get back out there and find us another one...with a 1731 Spanish cross pistareen in the same hole!

    Kyle

    Those early PA settlers did too much and that is why coppas are found in abundance!

    The Three Datectateers will miles to find the Colonial "stuff"!

    KirkKyleChris (KKC) and to those long-forgotten, coppa-dropping settlers!

  12. #12
    Charter Member
    So many old sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    Above: 1786 Vermont landscape copper ryder 7 variety. Found August 2007
    Whites VX3, Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil), Minelab Rocco 2700
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    I can see the detail that you're talking about. Just hidden behind a little dirt is all. I was fortunate enough to have found one myself in August of last year. It's my avatar picture <--------- over there. I would definitely have it professionally cleaned. You wouldn't want to risk doing that yourself. My coin made the banner and yours should as well. Definitely not a coin you see every day. The example that I dug looked great on the "all seeing eye" side of the coin but had some wear in the center of the coin on the other side that affected the clarity of the plow. Hopefully you'll find some more at that site. Get back there soon.

    Rob
    2014 Notable Finds :

    8 Large Coppers as follows:
    1837 Hard Times Token (Millions For Defence Not One Cent For Tribute)
    1732 King George II halfpenny
    Counterstamped Large Cent (Braided Hair Variety)
    No detail large cent (Most Likely Draped bust)
    1850 Braided Hair Large Cent
    1828 Matron Head Large Cent
    1829 Matron Head Large Cent
    1804 Draped Bust Large Cent
    1869 2 Cent Piece
    1865 2 Cent Piece
    8 Indian Heads including a nice 1872 Key Date and an ​1864 "L"
    1 silver Washington quarter
    1 barber dime 1916
    4 Mercury dimes
    1 Buffalo nickel
    10 cent trade token
    Gold Class Ring (1957) (Returned to Owner)
    Brass horse pommel (circa 1650s-1700s)
    Native American knife blade
    NYC & HRRR Co. Lock
    Eagle button (1812?)
    General service Eagle Cuff Button (Civil War era)
    Navy Eagle Cuff button (Civil War era)
    General service eagle button
    Small size batwing buckle
    2 Crotal bells
    Rings: 3
    1 Religious Medal
    1 Pocket Watch (brass)
    1 Brass locket with star design
    Silver Plated buckle piece

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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage
    Wow, Hogge. Even without looking at the Redbook I can tell that is an AWESOME find! That is what is so exciting about hunting in Massachusetts. You come across coins like this that are almost impossible elsewhere. I see a vacation next summer in the Berkshires!

    Ok, just checked. I think it's safe to say this will make the Banner. $1200+ coin I would estimate. Wow. Sure beats Nate's "half dime" pocket spill.

    Bob
    Thanks Mirage. If this doesn't make the banner I prob never will. If you could see this thing in person it's just absolutely beyond words for me to see a copper like this come from the ground. I've detected for 10 or more yrs. and this is truly my best coin find to date. The scans show alot of detail, but the dated side or Obverse is actually in as good as shape as the reverse but didn't come out in the scan. I HATE THAT. That's why I tried the color paper to show more detail. I think I'll make some calls tomarrow on sending it away. If your in the Berkshires next yr. get ahold of me and Golden1 and we'll take you on a HUNT!!!
    1783 CFT. KG III 1/2 Penny (25-83A)-1 of 3 known *Sold $3,750, Vermont Landscape Coppers Ryder 6 *Sold $760, Ryder7 (Avatar)** Sold $1,275*,1st Batt Royal Artillery Cartridge Box Sling Belt Tip* SOLD $1,583*,(3)- GW Inaugural Buttons-2-Cobb# 17-J.* Sold both--$405 and $400. *GW Button Cobb 17-I-*Sold $316- New Jersey Copper M14-J Sold $125- Continental Army Button *Sold $800.....To be continued

  14. #14
    Charter Member
    So many old sites to hunt....so little time.

    Aug 2007
    Above: 1786 Vermont landscape copper ryder 7 variety. Found August 2007
    Whites VX3, Whites DFX (with 4x6 shooter DD coil and 12" spider coil), Minelab Rocco 2700
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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    By the way, the coin I found was a ryder 7 variety. The ryder 8 variety is more rare. I cant tell which yours is with the coin not being cleaned yet but there is definitely enough detail there to make an accurate attribution once the coin is cleaned up. Good luck. Keep your fingers crossed for a ryder 8 variety.
    2014 Notable Finds :

    8 Large Coppers as follows:
    1837 Hard Times Token (Millions For Defence Not One Cent For Tribute)
    1732 King George II halfpenny
    Counterstamped Large Cent (Braided Hair Variety)
    No detail large cent (Most Likely Draped bust)
    1850 Braided Hair Large Cent
    1828 Matron Head Large Cent
    1829 Matron Head Large Cent
    1804 Draped Bust Large Cent
    1869 2 Cent Piece
    1865 2 Cent Piece
    8 Indian Heads including a nice 1872 Key Date and an ​1864 "L"
    1 silver Washington quarter
    1 barber dime 1916
    4 Mercury dimes
    1 Buffalo nickel
    10 cent trade token
    Gold Class Ring (1957) (Returned to Owner)
    Brass horse pommel (circa 1650s-1700s)
    Native American knife blade
    NYC & HRRR Co. Lock
    Eagle button (1812?)
    General service Eagle Cuff Button (Civil War era)
    Navy Eagle Cuff button (Civil War era)
    General service eagle button
    Small size batwing buckle
    2 Crotal bells
    Rings: 3
    1 Religious Medal
    1 Pocket Watch (brass)
    1 Brass locket with star design
    Silver Plated buckle piece

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    Re: 1786 "VERMONTENSIUM" Copper in Ma.

    Quote Originally Posted by hunterinthesky
    Great find How deep was it?
    My prizm IV bounce beween 4-6". It also bounced between bottle cap and 1c.
    1783 CFT. KG III 1/2 Penny (25-83A)-1 of 3 known *Sold $3,750, Vermont Landscape Coppers Ryder 6 *Sold $760, Ryder7 (Avatar)** Sold $1,275*,1st Batt Royal Artillery Cartridge Box Sling Belt Tip* SOLD $1,583*,(3)- GW Inaugural Buttons-2-Cobb# 17-J.* Sold both--$405 and $400. *GW Button Cobb 17-I-*Sold $316- New Jersey Copper M14-J Sold $125- Continental Army Button *Sold $800.....To be continued

 

 
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