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  1. #1

    Feb 2008
    Ohio
    Whites DFX
    810
    Banner Finds (1)

    "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished

    In June I found a piece of a pocketknife at a one room schoolhouse site showing a figure with the words "Our Lamented" on it.
    There were several suggestions on the "what is it" forum that it may be Abe Lincoln and I have to give a lot of credit to Bigcypresshunter because he actually suggested that the other piece to this pocketknife may say "president".

    Bigcypresshunter, you were right on!!! I revisited the area tonight and the first piece i dug was the bottom half of the side plate that said "president" and knew exactly what it was as soon as i saw it...I swung over the hole again,got another strong signal and got the other side plate intact that says "Our Union Is Preserved" !!
    Thought you might like to see the last pieces of the puzzle come together... Thanks for havin a look!
    Jerry

    UPDATE: I think Abe is a little more presentable now. I simply used some hobby wood to take up the space that the blade or blades would have occupied. I was able to salvage the entire top pin and the head of the pin below Abe's left shoulder. The bottom pin is a cut off nail. Turns out this pocketknife was made of all brass except for the blade. Would the sideplates have been cast or stamped i wonder?
    Lincoln was assassinated on April 14th,1865 just five days after Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House. I'm sure our country was still in a terrible state of mourning when this knife was being produced. I wonder if it was therapeutic for the craftsman who designed it? My research has turned up nothing about this knife. Anyone have any suggestions for how I could find out more details about it? Thanks for all your interest!! HH, Jerry
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-our-lamented1.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-our-lamented2.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-our-lamented3.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-front.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-back.jpg  

    "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-side.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-close.jpg   "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration Finished-back-closeup.jpg  

  2. #2

    Mar 2008
    Chicago IL
    Minelab_Explorer_SE_Pro w/ SunRay pinpointer & Garrett_Ace250
    7,326
    9 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Very cool, glad you found the rest!!!
    Come check out my MD'ing videos:
    http://youtube.com/user/TreasureFiend

  3. #3

    Apr 2007
    Michigan
    White's DFX w. D2 or 5.3, Sunray DX-1, Lesche Digger
    642
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    That is one outstanding relic.. How many of *these* are there around? Websearch turn up anything?

  4. #4
    Charter Member
    CANE FIELD BANDITS and IRON BRIGADE MEMBER

    Jun 2006
    Moonlight and Magnolias
    Fisher 1266-X and Tesoro Silver µMax
    12,264
    29 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Banner Finds (3)
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    HECK YES!

    I LOVE it when research, intuition, and online discussion are proven in the field.


    That is an Awesome find, Jerry.




    -Buckles
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button, 1820s or 1830s
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Two 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  5. #5

    Feb 2008
    spokane,wa.
    Whites Classic I.D.
    624

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Does anybody know how many were made or by what
    company? that is a really neat find. Jimbob

  6. #6
    Charter Member
    CANE FIELD BANDITS and IRON BRIGADE MEMBER

    Jun 2006
    Moonlight and Magnolias
    Fisher 1266-X and Tesoro Silver µMax
    12,264
    29 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Banner Finds (3)
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbob450
    Does anybody know how many were made or by what
    company? that is a really neat find. Jimbob
    I have tried and can't find any info on those... could be a Valuable find.
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button, 1820s or 1830s
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Two 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  7. #7
    Charter Member
    us
    Sep 2007
    San Diego County
    10,322
    Metal Detecting

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Nice find Jerry
    Enjoying the "Good Life" in SoCal

  8. #8
    us
    wolf pack!!!

    Sep 2006
    Texas
    Minlabe SE, ace 250, fisher 1280x
    4,506
    Banner Finds (2)
    Honorable Mentions (1)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    That is like the coolest dug pocket knife iv seen Beats my pewter keen kutter to pieces, i hope to hear more about it.
    Leave no stone unturned.

  9. #9
    us
    Apr 2008
    Moronica, northwest of Chicago.
    E-trac & Bounty Hunter Land Star
    4,696
    1 times

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Magnificent find, Jerry!!!

    I can't wait to see what info other T-Netters throw in on this knife. Talk about history - a way-cool knife!!
    God bless our veterans! Thank you for your sacrifices!

  10. #10
    us
    Feb 2005
    Bavaria Germany
    Minelab XT70, Fisher 1280, Garrett Ace 250 and MH5
    8,195
    10 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Nice to put a puzzle together, especially a historical puzzle! HH, Mike

  11. #11
    Charter Member
    us
    Hunt, kneel, dig, pray

    Oct 2007
    Dayton, Oh
    Whites M-6 with Bullseye Pinpointer
    1,460
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Great find Jerry and did some research and nothing - good find there I think.


    SKD
    ______________
    SoreKneesDayton
    Whites M-6

  12. #12
    Charter Member
    gb
    May 2008
    uk
    tesoro eldorado, tesoro lobo,goldmaxx xp
    6,162
    1 times
    Banner Finds (4)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    wow! i remember that post!

    i would be buzzing
    Who needs Cartwheel Pennies anyway?

  13. #13

    Jul 2007
    649

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Thanks for the folow up. Very interesting find. Congrats.

  14. #14
    AUCTIONEER

    Jul 2006
    Charlotte
    677

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    That is too cool! Very awesome find indeed!!

    HH,
    Ramapirate
    Ramapirate...
    Madcap

  15. #15
    us
    Jun 2007
    georgia
    garrett 1500-ace 250-garrett ads groudhog deepseeker
    2,598

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    GREAT FIND.
    KYLE DISMUKE

  16. #16

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Jerry,
    That is so cool that you found all the pieces. Anything with Abe on it is #1 in my book. Very neat and unusual piece.
    Hopefully we'll hear more about it.
    Congrats to you,
    MM
    Oldest coin - 1700's Spanish silver piece of 8 reale
    Oldest U.S. silver - 1833 Capped Bust Half Dime
    Oldest U.S. copper - 1847 Large cent
    Civil War best finds:
    *NC officers belt buckle
    *CSN Confederate Navy Officer button
    *Eagle Sword Belt Plate

  17. #17
    us
    HOLD FAST

    Feb 2007
    Over the River and thru the Woods...
    Team Tesoro
    2,529

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    I second that - BANNER!!! Jerry - that is certainly one of the coolest finds yet that I've seen here. Buckle is right - that could be a very valuable piece...
    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere"

  18. #18

    Feb 2008
    Ohio
    Whites DFX
    810
    Banner Finds (1)

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife... "Our Lamented" Revisited

    Thanks for all your comments and banner suggestions!! I'm thrilled with this little piece of history and have decided to put some TLC in to a restoration of sorts. I don't plan to add a new knife blade but I think I can make it presentable as a whole piece. It may take me a few days. Here are the first steps...
    Jerry
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  19. #19
    us
    Aug 2006
    WESTERN MASS
    3,807

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration in Progress....

    Really unique find, to keep at it and find the rest of it?

    I have 2 finds I can think of that I would love to find the other half, pieces, or parts. One I may be closer to figuring out what it is.

    I can't wait to see it finished! Good luck!
    A kind word echos for eternity

  20. #20
    us
    HOLD FAST

    Feb 2007
    Over the River and thru the Woods...
    Team Tesoro
    2,529

    Re: "Our Union is Preserved" Pocketknife..Restoration in Progress....

    Creepy how Lincoln's face looks like a skull in the last pic now...





    and yes, i still say BANNER...
    "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere"

 

 
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