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    Re: Old token needing id

    wtg on that neat token !
    ALLEN

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    17123105628 is my cell plz look on FB Detecting the Heart land and Deep digging Iowa. There you'll find me posting.

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    Found some info on 2 Billiards pool halls (Salloons) in town here. I need somebody to look up someones name that owned the Saloons. First guy is J. H. Ball the other D. Burgess both from Missouri Valley IA. Let me know what you find. Later and HH
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    Re: Old token needing id

    here's another version. This one was found in Wyoming
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    I need to clean up around my desk. Somewhere within my reach is a BBC reference book, but it eludes me at the moment. That is a very difficult and expensive (for its size) reference to obtain.

  5. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAsoldier
    Found some info on 2 Billiards pool halls (Salloons) in town here. I need somebody to look up someones name that owned the Saloons. First guy is J. H. Ball the other D. Burgess both from Missouri Valley IA. Let me know what you find. Later and HH
    looked up these two names in the 1919 dunn bradstreet--nothing found . this references only one month in one year so.....

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    17123105628 is my cell plz look on FB Detecting the Heart land and Deep digging Iowa. There you'll find me posting.

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    I'm still looking into it, sound like its a hard one to locate but ill find it.
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    17123105628 is my cell plz look on FB Detecting the Heart land and Deep digging Iowa. There you'll find me posting.

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    Found maybe. A.D. Combs (Hotel, Billiards/Saloon) 1880-81 Iowa State Gazetteer Businesses. I think Poor might of partnered up later down the rd. That's all i found in IA.
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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    Here's some info on the company, as well as one that I dug as well. Haven't found it's location either, thinking Nebraska.

    Brunswick was founded by John Moses Brunswick who came to the United States from Switzerland at the age of 15. The J.M. Brunswick Manufacturing Company opened for business on September 15, 1845, in Cincinnati, Ohio. Originally J. M. Brunswick intended his company to be mainly in the business of making carriages, but soon after opening his machine shop, he became fascinated with billiards and decided that making billiard tables would be more lucrative, as the better tables then in use in the United States were imported from England. Brunswick billiard tables were a commercial success, and the business expanded and opened up the first of what would become many branch offices in Chicago, Illinois in 1848.
    In 1873, the Brunswick Company merged with competitor Great Western Billiard Manufactory owned by Julius Balke to become the Brunswick & Balke Company, incorporated with a capital stock of $275,000. In 1884, another competitor, H.W. Collender Company of New York (founded by Hugh W. Collender), was absorbed to form the Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company (or B.B.C. Company for short[2]) with capital of $1.5 million.
    The company expanded into making a number of other products. Large ornate neo-classical style bars for saloons were a popular product. Bowling balls, pins, and equipment led a growing line of sporting equipment. It popularized bowling balls of manufactured materials, vulcanized rubber at first; earlier bowling balls had been solid wood.


    Also.....

    1873
    Demand for Brunswick tables continues to increase. Brunswick merges with rival Julius Balke’s Great Western Billiard Table Manufactory to become The J. M. Brunswick and Balke Company. Pamphlets published two years after the great Chicago fire describe the company as manufacturing 700 tables annually, with 350 Brunswick tables in play in the city of Chicago, and selling from Canada to Mexico, with tables in every principal city in the west.





    1884
    Brunswick joins with another rival to become “The Brunswick-Balke-Collender Company,” the largest billiard equipment operation in the world, larger than all its competitors combined. Expansion of the product line now includes elaborate and ornate front and back bars made of rich woods, flawless mirrors, and stained glass. Originally offered as special order items, demand from taverns grew so great that a new factory in Dubuque, Iowa manufactured and shipped the bars around the world. The bars began to gather design awards at international exhibitions. Many of them are still in use today, becoming focal points in popular bars and restaurants around the country

    And even more info....
    God, do I love Google.

    Billiard and Pool Hall tokens were used in much the same way as Saloon tokens. Players would "rent" the table for a time, receiving tokens in exchange for the amount paid. Losers would pay the winner with a token, which supposedly was good only for merchandise in a disguised attempt to circumvent gaming laws, but would often be redeemed for cash by the bartender.

    In some of the larger Billiard and Pool Halls an operator would "rack" the cue balls and he would then be paid a token for the game. This guaranteed the owner payment as the tokens were merely turned in at the end of the day. I some cases a token or coin box was installed on the tables to drop the cue balls at the start of a new game.
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  9. #24
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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    nothing found on the tb wade

    found this on henry williams

    HENRY WILLIAMS BBC LONG PRAIRIE, MN referencing a MN token book

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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    Quote Originally Posted by intimer
    nothing found on the tb wade

    found this on henry williams

    HENRY WILLIAMS BBC LONG PRAIRIE, MN referencing a MN token book
    Did it mention his owning a Pool Hall or Saloon?
    Would be my first MN token.
    You have brought much happiness to an otherwise dismal period of my life.
    Thank you.
    Carl

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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    sorry the maverick list only shows what is on the token and the reference from which the attribution was made.
    as noted recently further proof is preferred - good place to start!

    so, i checked the dunn bradstreet 1919 i had and i won't be able to lengthen your excitement, because henry williams was not there.
    sorry, but having a town and state at least if it's not right you've ruled out one town------------------

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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    Quote Originally Posted by intimer
    sorry the maverick list only shows what is on the token and the reference from which the attribution was made.
    as noted recently further proof is preferred - good place to start!

    so, i checked the dunn bradstreet 1919 i had and i won't be able to lengthen your excitement, because henry williams was not there.
    sorry, but having a town and state at least if it's not right you've ruled out one town------------------
    You still the man, thanks!
    Dawned on me after posting that mine should be 1870-1880's, which is about 20 years earlier than what I originally thought. Need to go back and do more research.
    Carl

  13. #28
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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    Williams, Henry. Land patent, June 1, 1859. . 1 item. ---found this

    Salem Mo Henry Williams & Jennie Dulworth----this may be marriage information

    Williams, Henry. Henry Williams, an unmarried 23 year old black man, worked as a laborer and owned a home and lived on Third Street South in Great Falls in 1900. He was born in Sep 1876 in MI. [1900 Census MT Cascade Co.]-- another note i found but this guy was in montana---

    so, i looked for a while but found nothing specific. good luck in your verifying...

    mike


  14. #29
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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_L._Williams

    still nothing but in the right state and era anyway with the above.

  15. #30
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    Re: Old token needing iding (Solved I beleived) after 1 yr

    found the token on tokencatalog database
    http://tokencatalog.com/display_reco...DisplayRecords

    here's what it says


    B OCT 28

    GOOD FOR / 5˘ / HENRY / WILLIAMS / IN / TRADE
    The J.M. Brunswick / & / Balke Cos / (Pool Table)
    Henry Williams Billiard Hall, Sample Room, & Hall For Theatrical Troupes 1881, Saloon 1882-1909

 

 
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