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    1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags??? solved there dog tags

    hi i have had these on other areas on here and know one seems to ever have seen them i found then here on maui recently and i am stumped i found them on a 1862 sight along with some nice coins the oldest was a 1776 spanish coin that was a great day but i cant find anything on these tags so any help would be greatly appreciated thanks
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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    I haven't forgot you. I'still haven't heard any responses from my emails. I'm going to try and contact them again,maybe i'll have better luck this time. For those who want to know here are the other posts concerning these tags. They are intriguing, to me anyways. I still think they have something to do with the sugar plantations of that era.

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg1976041
    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...tml#msg1972950

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    i showed them to some people over here and no luck i think you are right about the plantation tags they are just way different than any that i have seen

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    Yeah I know what you mean. With King Kalakaua's Crown and with the "dates" which I guess we can safely assume that is what they are. One thing I noticed is the large gap in the number sequences from 1880-1885 as compared to the small gap between the years of 1876-1880. For what it's worth, I have emailed several history professors at the Univ. Of Hawaii as well as a couple more people at local museums on the islands. I definitely don't think they have anything to do with burials or cremations. They don't correspond with the practices of that era as far as dealing with the dead goes.

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    i noticed the date gape to the museum in wailuku is closed for another month for renovations if they don't have any i might donate these but i still would like to find out some history on them that's half the fun in finding old things but they still need to be preserved thanks again for all the help

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    I agree about finding the history of items being half the fun. Even if it wasn't you or I that found the item. That's why i'm still on this one.
    I received a reply back from one guy that I emailed yesterday and this is what he has to say-

    As an academic historian, I am not necessarily an expert in material artifacts, so I should refer you to someone at the Bishop Museum and/or the Waipahu Plantation Village that has a small collection of bango.

    If you want my informal opinion, most bango that I have seen only have one hole at the top and then some sort of plantation name or acronym stamped fairly prominently on the tag as well.

    The metals that you found have two holes -- perhaps for nailing the tag to something for identification purposes. They remind me of the tags that you sometimes find on telephone poles in the 20th century or even some large trees in major cities.

    Someone on the website you provided suggested that they might have been nailed onto cemetery plot crosses. I would ask someone who knows about cemeteries and maybe he/she could tell you more.

    Hope this helps,

    J. Rosa

    =======================
    John P. Rosa
    Assistant Professor of History
    University of Hawai‘i at Mänoa
    rosajohn@hawaii.edu


    I agree with him about the bango tags, for reasons he listed as well as the dates on the tags not corresponding to when bango tags were supposedly first used, which was according to my research in 1905 at the Oahu Sugar Co., I cannot find anything to suggest that they were used any earlier than this. I do not agree with him on the issue of the cemetery plot crosses. I can't see them being made for this reason, the crown, the one date and the number doesn't correlate to being attached to a burial marker. Although I do agree about the two holes as being used to affix to something. Are these tags brass? How far apart were they found? We will figure this out!

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    yes they are brass and they were quite apart and at different depths from 1 to 5 inches if they were made to be nailed to something i don't think they ever were there is no indentations from a nail there were no telephone poles around where i found these at that time the crown dose make it more interesting i keep talking to the locals here but it is hard all the oldest people are vary hard to understand most don't speak English to good lol you would think if the numbers were going up from usage over 6000 of these were made they would be more popular well thanks again we will figure this out sooner or later

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    Well I received this yesterday from one person I emailed. I'm still not convinced though. They don't look like any dog tag i've ever seen. I have saw examples from hawaii from the early 20th century. But hey, i'm no expert. Anyway here is the email-

    From what I have learned, what you found are dog tags. They evidenced payment of a dog license and were fastened to a dog's collar. This answer was provided by Don Medcalf at Hawaiian Islands Stamp & Coin in Honolulu. I included Don in the cc's, so if you need additional information, you can contact Don directly. Don is an expert on Hawaiiana.

    Don Metcalf- hisc@aloha.net

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    I agree that they are dog licenses. Maybe you could forward pictures to doglicenseorg@hotmail.com and see what they can tell you. They could be valuable.
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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    i think you are right i emailed pics to a dog license collecting sight and this is the response i got

    THey are indeed dog licenses. Im not at my books now, but on a laptop. I have 6 territory of hawaii pre 1900 dog licenses that I bought years ago from a digger Yours are quite nice..Keep my posted if you ever intend on selling them to make some cash.

    i dont plan on selling them but i do need to mark this as solved but i cant figure out how to do it i still think its funny they dont say dog license or tax on them but i am satisfied thanks for all the help

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    Quote Originally Posted by grimroofer
    i think you are right i emailed pics to a dog license collecting sight and this is the response i got

    THey are indeed dog licenses. Im not at my books now, but on a laptop. I have 6 territory of hawaii pre 1900 dog licenses that I bought years ago from a digger Yours are quite nice..Keep my posted if you ever intend on selling them to make some cash.

    i dont plan on selling them but i do need to mark this as solved but i cant figure out how to do it i still think its funny they dont say dog license or tax on them but i am satisfied thanks for all the help
    I think you can only mark it "solved" with a green check if it is in the "what is it?" section. I guess a dog tag will work, just never seen any like that before. It explains the 2 holes though.

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    These tags are listed and illustrated on pp. 57-58 of U. S. Dog License Tags and Related Exonumia. Although no values are given, the author, Dr. Bill Bone, can probably help you with that information. He's very familiar with our hobby and enjoys hearing from anyone who has found tags from the 1800's. I'm sure he'd be interested in these from the Kingdom of Hawaii. E-mail him at:

    tagman2@earthlink.net

    The oldest known Hawaiian tags are dated 1870.




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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    Quote Originally Posted by PBK
    These tags are listed and illustrated on pp. 57-58 of U. S. Dog License Tags and Related Exonumia. Although no values are given, the author, Dr. Bill Bone, can probably help you with that information. He's very familiar with our hobby and enjoys hearing from anyone who has found tags from the 1800's. I'm sure he'd be interested in these from the Kingdom of Hawaii. E-mail him at:

    tagman2@earthlink.net

    The oldest known Hawaiian tags are dated 1870.


    Thanks PBK! It took a while to get there but we finally nailed it.

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags???

    i am shocked that that is what those are and happy to finely know for sure i will mark it solved in the right category this was a tough one but with all the help now we know so thanks everyone and pbk especially !!!!!

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    Re: 1876 to 1885 hawaiian tags??? solved there dog tags

    you ought to check ebay 'completed listings'. i have heard rare rare dog tags sell very high. there is brisk competition among the 'many' collectors.

    put one on, maybe that you have a duplicate of to test the waters. you might do very well.

 

 
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