METAL DETECTING ON THE NATIONAL FORESTS

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MINERAL, ROCK COLLECTING AND METAL DETECTING ON THE NATIONAL FORESTS


It is Forest Service policy that the recreational use of metal detectors and the collection of rocks and mineral samples are allowed on the National Forests. Generally, most of the National Forests are open to recreational mineral and rock collecting, gold panning and prospecting using a metal detector. This low impact, casual activity usually does not require any authorization.

On some eastern Forests gold panning does require a letter of authorization due to the high clay content of the soils. It is always wise to check with the local District Ranger if you have questions. Some wilderness areas are closed to gold panning and metal detecting.

Metal detecting is a legitimate means of locating gold or other mineral specimens and can be an effective prospecting tool for locating larger mineral deposits. This activity can also be conducted as a recreational activity locating lost coins, jewelry or other incidental metallic items of little historical value.

Prospecting using a metal detector can be conducted under the General Mining Laws and is covered under the Forest Service 36 CFR 228A locatable mineral regulations for lands open to mineral entry. Metal detecting for treasure trove or lost items such as coins and jewelry is managed as a non minerals- related recreation activity.

Metal detecting is a low surface impact activity that involves digging small holes rarely more than six inches deep. Normally, metal detecting does not require a notice of intent or written authorization since it only involves searching for and occasionally removing small rock samples or mineral specimens (36 CFR 228.4(a)).
Metal detectors may be used on public land in areas that do not contain or would not reasonably be expected to contain archaeological or historical resources.

Normally, developed campgrounds, swimming beaches, and other developed recreation sites are open to recreational metal detecting unless there are archaeological or historical resources present. In such cases, forest supervisors are authorized to close the area to metal detecting and the closure would be posted at the site. Such closure notices are not always practical in undeveloped areas, and federal agencies have not identified every archaeological site on public lands.

It is possible; therefore, that you may encounter such archaeological remains that have not yet been documented or an area that is not closed even though it does indeed contain such remains. Archaeological remains on public land are protected under law. If you were to discover such remains, you should leave them undisturbed and notify a FS office.

The purpose of the restrictions to metal detecting on public lands is to protect historical remains.

The Code of Federal Regulations, (36 CFR 261.9) states, "The following are prohibited: (g) Digging in, excavating, disturbing, injuring, destroying, or in any way damaging any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resources, structure, site, artifact, or property. (h) Removing any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resources, structure, site, artifact, property."

The Archaeological Resources Protection Act (ARPA, 16 U.S.C. 470cc also prohibits these activities, stating, "No person may excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage or otherwise alter or deface any archaeological resources located on public lands or Indian lands unless such activity is pursuant to a permit...” ARPA exempts the collection of coins for personal use if the coins are not in an archaeological context.

In some cases, historically significant coins and other metallic artifacts may be part of an historical-period archaeological site, in which case they would be considered archaeological resources and are protected under law. These laws apply to all National Forest System land and do not vary from state to state.

Four forms of metal detector use are recognized.

1. Searching for treasure trove: Treasure trove is defined as money, gems, or precious metals in the form of coin, plate, or bullion that has been deliberately hidden with the intention of recovering it later. This activity requires a Special Use Permit under The Act of June 4, 1897 (16 U.S.C. 551). Forest Service Manual 2724.4 states “allow persons to search for buried treasure on National Forest System lands, but protect the rights of the public regarding ownership of or claims on any recovered property.”

2. Prospecting: Using a metal detector to locate gold or other mineral deposits is an allowed activity under the General Mining Laws and is subject to the 36 CFR 228A regulations. A Notice of Intent (36 CFR 228.4(a)) is normally not required for prospecting using a metal detector. A Notice of Intent (NOI) is required for any prospecting which might cause disturbance of surface resources. A plan of operation is required for any prospecting that will likely cause significant disturbance of surface resources. Normal metal detecting does not cause surface impacts that require either a NOI or a Plan of Operation. People who use metal detectors for prospecting should bear in mind that many of the mineralized lands within the National Forests and open to mineral entry have been “claimed” by others who have sole right to prospect and develop the mineral resources found on the mining claim. A search of County and Bureau of Land Management records should be made prior to prospecting to determine if an area has been claimed. Normally, any gold found can be removed and kept. If the removal of the gold, rocks, or minerals might cause disturbance of surface resources, beyond digging a small shallow hole, a NOI may be required.

3. Searching for historic or prehistoric artifacts: Using a metal detector to locate archaeological or historical remains is subject to the Antiquities Act of 1906 and the Archeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 (ARPA) as amended and requires a special use permit. Such permits are granted for scientific research only, however, there are many ways to get involved with organized, scientific research. See below for ways to use metal detectors for this purpose under sanctioned public archaeology programs.

4. Recreational pursuits: The most common form of metal detector use is searching for gold nuggets, lost coins, jewelry, and incidental metal items having no historical value. Such use is common in developed campgrounds, swimming areas, and picnic areas and requires no permit. However, one must assume personal responsibility to notice if the area may indeed contain archaeological or historical resources and if it does, cease metal detecting and notify a Forest Service office. Not doing so may result in prosecution under the Code of Federal Regulations or ARPA.

Metal detecting on the National Forests is recognized as a legitimate prospecting method under the General Mining Laws and also as a recreational activity for the casual collection of rocks and minerals. This policy does not permit the use of metal detectors in or around known or undiscovered cultural or historic sites in order to protect our valuable, non-renewable historical resources.

However, recognizing the universal interest in archaeology and history and the vast public knowledge of such resources, the USDA Forest Service sponsors a public archaeology program through which metal detector enthusiasts and others can help. Passport In Time (PIT) is a national program inviting the public to work with agency archaeologists on historic preservation projects.

We have done numerous projects through PIT in cooperation with metal detecting clubs and individuals. The cooperation has been beneficial for both the detectorists and agency’s archaeologists. Locating archaeological sites becomes a joint endeavor and we learn a great deal. If you would like more information on this program, call 1-800-281- 9176 or visit www.passportintime.com.
 

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Yup, it's allowed on NFS land. By specific allowance mind you! Even though simple silence on the issue ....... in my mind ...... would be "allowance" enough (not addressed either way, hence not forbidden/prohibited). But in this case, it has a *specific* allowance. You can't ask for more than that, eh ?

Yet for some reason, the myth continues to perpetuate that all federal land is off-limits.
 

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Yup, it's allowed on NFS land. By specific allowance mind you! Even though simple silence on the issue ....... in my mind ...... would be "allowance" enough (not addressed either way, hence not forbidden/prohibited). But in this case, it has a *specific* allowance. You can't ask for more than that, eh ?

Yet for some reason, the myth continues to perpetuate that all federal land is off-limits.


Any Federal land open to mineral entry will also be open to metal detecting. In California the answer is simple, one is prospecting for gold nuggets... not coins or relics.

Significant and Minimal Disturbance are the key words when it comes to prospecting. Metal detecting causes minimal disturbance and therefore requires no permit.

That only applies to property under the authority of the USFS, parks under the NPS are subject to the mining laws only if they are open for mineral entry.

According to the law if a National Park were open to mineral entry one could legally use a metal detector for the purpose of prospecting and mining.

However I know of no National Parks open to mineral entry, this does not mean there are none, I just haven't searched and haven't heard of any.


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-201...ol1-sec2-1.pdf
§2.1 Preservation of natural, cultural and archeological resources.
(7) Possessing or using a mineral or metal detector, magnetometer, side scan sonar, other metal detecting device, or subbottom profiler. This paragraph does not apply to: (iii) Mineral or metal detectors, magnetometers, or subbottom profilers used for authorized scientific, mining, or administrative activities.


eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
§228.2 Scope.
These regulations apply to operations hereafter conducted under the United States mining laws of May 10, 1872, as amended (30 U.S.C. 22 et seq.), as they affect surface resources on all National Forest System lands under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of Agriculture to which such laws are applicable: Provided, however, That any area of National Forest lands covered by a special Act of Congress (16 U.S.C. 482a-482q) is subject to the provisions of this part and the provisions of the special act, and in the case of conflict the provisions of the special act shall apply.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=eaae50626e03163110beb137ce5ed444&node=se36 .2.228_14&rgn=div8
§228.4 Plan of operations—notice of intent—requirements.
(ii) Prospecting and sampling which will not cause significant surface resource disturbance and will not involve removal of more than a reasonable amount of mineral deposit for analysis and study which generally might include searching for and occasionally removing small mineral samples or specimens, gold panning, metal detecting, non-motorized hand sluicing, using battery operated dry washers, and collecting of mineral specimens using hand tools;
 

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Allowed in some denied in others. You can't hunt in the Ocala National Forest in Florida as an example...

You want to check each National Forest, not assume it is legal because it isn't legal in all.

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Allowed in some denied in others. You can't hunt in the Ocala National Forest in Florida as an example...

Posted From My $50 Tablet....


Yes there are always site specific restrictions that could exist along with unidentified historical areas. The notice from the USFS states some areas may be off limits.

It's also important to note "this policy does not permit the use of metal detectors in or around known or undiscovered cultural or historic sites"

On some eastern Forests gold panning does require a letter of authorization due to the high clay content of the soils. It is always wise to check with the local District Ranger if you have questions. Some wilderness areas are closed to gold panning and metal detecting.

The purpose of the restrictions to metal detecting on public lands is to protect historical remains.

Prospecting using a metal detector can be conducted under the General Mining Laws and is covered under the Forest Service 36 CFR 228A locatable mineral regulations for lands open to mineral entry. Metal detecting for treasure trove or lost items such as coins and jewelry is managed as a non minerals- related recreation activity.

Metal detectors may be used on public land in areas that do not contain or would not reasonably be expected to contain archaeological or historical resources.

Normally, developed campgrounds, swimming beaches, and other developed recreation sites are open to recreational metal detecting unless there are archaeological or historical resources present. In such cases, forest supervisors are authorized to close the area to metal detecting and the closure would be posted at the site. Such closure notices are not always practical in undeveloped areas, and federal agencies have not identified every archaeological site on public lands.

It is possible; therefore, that you may encounter such archaeological remains that have not yet been documented or an area that is not closed even though it does indeed contain such remains. Archaeological remains on public land are protected under law. If you were to discover such remains, you should leave them undisturbed and notify a FS office.
 

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.... In California the answer is simple, one is prospecting for gold nuggets... not coins or relics.......

Good post nugs. Yup, I'm only hunting for nuggets. And if I find a coin, it's newer than 50 yrs. old . I never find old coins. :tongue3:
 

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Good post nugs. Yup, I'm only hunting for nuggets. And if I find a coin, it's newer than 50 yrs. old . I never find old coins. :tongue3:


Thanks Tom.

Yes always looking for gold nuggets, keep in mind items having no historical value and common coins are also ok, but there are laws protecting the right to prospect. :wink:

In California I would ACTUALLY be searching for gold nuggets, especially with that drought.

But let's say you get a gold signal while looking for nuggets, but instead of a gold nugget... it turns out to be an 1846 $5 gold coin.

There won't be a swarm of black FBI vans, there won't even be a Ranger, because the antiquity laws don't really apply to a single lost coin.


"The most common form of metal detector use is searching for gold nuggets, lost coins, jewelry, and incidental metal items having no historical value."


"The purpose of the restrictions to metal detecting on public lands is to protect historical remains.

The Code of Federal Regulations, (36 CFR 261.9) states, "The following are prohibited: (g) Digging in, excavating, disturbing, injuring, destroying, or in any way damaging any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resources, structure, site, artifact, or property. (h) Removing any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resources, structure, site, artifact, property."

The Archaeological Resources Protection Act (ARPA, 16 U.S.C. 470cc also prohibits these activities, stating, "No person may excavate, remove, damage, or otherwise alter or deface or attempt to excavate, remove, damage or otherwise alter or deface any archaeological resources located on public lands or Indian lands unless such activity is pursuant to a permit...” ARPA exempts the collection of coins for personal use if the coins are not in an archaeological context.

In some cases, historically significant coins and other metallic artifacts may be part of an historical-period archaeological site, in which case they would be considered archaeological resources and are protected under law. These laws apply to all National Forest System land and do not vary from state to state."


140 FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAWS 141 FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION LAWS
(1) the term “archaeological resource” means any material remains of past human life or activities which are of archaeological interest, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated pursuant to this Act. Such regulations containing such determination shall include, but not be limited to: pottery, basketry, bottles, weapons, weapon projectiles, tools, structures or portions of structures, pit houses, rock paintings, rock carvings, intaglios, graves, human skeletal materials, or any portion or piece of any of the foregoing items. Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, or any portion or piece thereof, shall not be considered archaeological resources, under the regulations under this paragraph, unless found in an archaeological context. No item shall be treated as an archaeological resource under regulations under this paragraph unless such item is at least 100 years of age.
 

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More Information Regarding Prospecting for Gold Nuggets

Frequently Asked Questions

Step 2
– Determine the land status of the legal location.

Once you know the exact location of the place you want to mine or prospect, you can use BLM’s Surface ManagementMaps to determine the land status. You may also utilize Gecommunicator. It is an interactive map viewer that allows you to search and display most of the non-Alaska land and mineral, status, and mining claims records along with a variety of reference maps including surface management agency boundaries, T/R/Sec/Aliquot, rivers, roads, topo maps, and imagery.

Step 3 – Is the land open or closed to mineral entry?

If the land on which you want to stake a claim is BLM or Forest Service land, it is important to know whether or not this government land is open to mining and prospecting. Closures to mining activity are shown and described in local BLM and USFS land use planning documents and on some BLM or USGS maps. To obtain this information contact the BLM or USFS field Office.

Step 4 – Are there active or inactive claims in the area?

If the land you want to prospect is on BLM or USFS land and that land is open to mining (“mineral entry”), the next thing you will want to know is if there are any active claims on that land. Miners with active claims are supposed to place claim markers on their claims and have copies of their claim documents in the discovery claim marker for each claim. But sometimes cows or people destroy the claim discovery (and corner) markers. So just because you see no claim markers does NOT mean that there is not an active claim in the area.

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..... But let's say you get a gold signal while looking for nuggets, but instead of a gold nugget... it turns out to be an 1846 $5 gold coin.

There won't be a swarm of black FBI vans, there won't even be a Ranger, because the antiquity laws don't really apply to a single lost coin. ....

Well .... yes and no. This has been an oft-debated point: The way some people read ARPA, is that "coins and bullets" are excluded. However, a closer reading of the context, means that ONLY THOSE COINS AND BULLETS that are not within the context of areas deemed archaeologically. Hence, as long as you're not in an archaeological federal site, then yes: singular coins and bullets are excluded.

So for example: a coin a Shiloh, Ghettysburg, Bodie, or in an archie's open pit (that you snuck into at night), ARE INDEED historical/archaeological items that would be covered.

And therefore, perhaps, a single coin in the middle of nowhere (your $5 gold accidentally found while nugget hunting), would NOT be within an archaeological. Right? However, this is where it gets muddied: Because there are certain purist factions that .... while they admit that singular coins and bullets had that exception, yet they deem ALL federal land to be potentially "archaeologically significant" (Eg.: even out in the middle of nowhere).

The counter debate/argument to that is simple: That you will notice that for a place to be called an archaeological site has a series of steps, to get an assignment as such:

Smithsonian trinomial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hence it LOGICALLY FOLLOWS: that sites WITHOUT such a number , are .... doh NOT deemed archaeological :)
 

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Well .... yes and no. This has been an oft-debated point: The way some people read ARPA, is that "coins and bullets" are excluded. However, a closer reading of the context, means that ONLY THOSE COINS AND BULLETS that are not within the context of areas deemed archaeologically. Hence, as long as you're not in an archaeological federal site, then yes: singular coins and bullets are excluded.

So for example: a coin a Shiloh, Ghettysburg, Bodie, or in an archie's open pit (that you snuck into at night), ARE INDEED historical/archaeological items that would be covered.

And therefore, perhaps, a single coin in the middle of nowhere (your $5 gold accidentally found while nugget hunting), would NOT be within an archaeological. Right? However, this is where it gets muddied: Because there are certain purist factions that .... while they admit that singular coins and bullets had that exception, yet they deem ALL federal land to be potentially "archaeologically significant" (Eg.: even out in the middle of nowhere).

The counter debate/argument to that is simple: That you will notice that for a place to be called an archaeological site has a series of steps, to get an assignment as such:

Smithsonian trinomial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hence it LOGICALLY FOLLOWS: that sites WITHOUT such a number , are .... doh NOT deemed archaeological :)


No court in America would use Wikipedia...

People debate lot's of things that are clearly defined... ARPA exempts the collection of coins for personal use if the coins are not in an archaeological context.


16 U.S.C. 470kk(a), Mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses
(a) Nothing in this Act shall be construed to repeal, modify, or impose additional restrictions on the activities permitted under existing laws and authorities relating to mining, mineral leasing, reclamation, and other multiple uses of the public lands.

16 U.S.C. 470kk(b), Private collections
(b) Nothing in this Act applies to, or requires a permit for, the collection for private purposes of any rock, coin, bullet, or mineral which is not an archaeological resource, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated under section 3(1) of this Act.

16 U.S.C. 470kk(c), Lands within Act
(c) Nothing in this Act shall be construed to affect any land other than public land or Indian land or to affect the lawful recovery, collection, or sale of archaeological resources from land other than public land or Indian land.

16 U.S.C. 470bb, Definitions As used in this Act

(1) the term “archaeological resource” means any material remains of past human life or activities which are of archaeological interest, as determined under uniform regulations promulgated pursuant to this Act. Such regulations containing such determination shall include, but not be limited to: pottery, basketry, bottles, weapons, weapon projectiles, tools, structures or portions of structures, pit houses, rock paintings, rock carvings, intaglios, graves, human skeletal materials, or any portion or piece of any of the foregoing items. Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological specimens, or any portion or piece thereof, shall not be considered archaeological resources, under the regulations under this paragraph, unless found in an archaeological context. No item shall be treated as an archaeological resource under regulations under this paragraph unless such item is at least 100 years of age.

(3) The term “public lands” means— (A) lands which are owned and administered by the United States as part of— (i) the national park system, (ii) the national wildlife refuge system, or (iii) the national forest system; and (B) all other lands the fee title to which is held by the United States, other than lands on the Outer Continental Shelf and lands which are under the jurisdiction of the Smithsonian Institution.


The most common form of metal detector use is searching for gold nuggets, lost coins, jewelry, and incidental metal items having no historical value.

Metal detecting is a legitimate means of locating gold... This activity can also be conducted as a recreational activity locating lost coins, jewelry or other incidental metallic items of little historical value.
 

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I find this very interesting. I am leaning to the conclusion that not many Rangers and park superintendents are aware of the changes to the law, I know I wasn't. It has been my experience that any and all fed parks/forest (not including BLM lands) are/were strictly off limits to metal detectors, even to the point of them being confiscated if found in your vehicle, as I had posted about before.

I do not know when this policy was changed but I am glad to have it with me to use (I actually printed it with the link so if in doubt they can look it up) perhaps it might open some closed doors from the past.

Thank you Nugs, for researching and posting this.

Was this part of that court case out in Calif?

Now this part is confusing, as it appears to cover two distinct and opposite things:
Prospecting using a metal detector can be conducted under the General Mining Laws and is covered under the Forest Service 36 CFR 228A locatable mineral regulations for lands open to mineral entry. Metal detecting for treasure trove or lost items such as coins and jewelry is managed as a non minerals- related recreation activity.

The part I shaded red incurs that metal detecting for coins and jewelry is managed as a non minerals related "recreation activity", that could be argued that as to the wording metal detecting does not fall under the ruling that the area/park/forest must be open to mineral exploration. Hence meaning any and all fed parks and forest are open to metal detecting unless they fall under the other guidelines, such as Gettysburg.

 

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I find this very interesting. I am leaning to the conclusion that not many Rangers and park superintendents are aware of the changes to the law, I know I wasn't. It has been my experience that any and all fed parks/forest (not including BLM lands) are/were strictly off limits to metal detectors, even to the point of them being confiscated if found in your vehicle, as I had posted about before.

I do not know when this policy was changed but I am glad to have it with me to use (I actually printed it with the link so if in doubt they can look it up) perhaps it might open some closed doors from the past.

Thank you Nugs, for researching and posting this.

Was this part of that court case out in Calif?


Thanks and you're welcome.

The case in Cali was about dredging for gold.

What I posted was the regulations for the USFS so it does not apply to all property, just what is under the USFS's jurisdiction. If a park is under the authority of the NPS then the regulations do not apply.

If a ranger told you that detecting was restricted on USFS property it may be, it will be posted with all the other rules and regulations at each site. If it's not posted and not a historical site then he was unaware it's allowed or just being a jerk.

I'm glad to hear you printed off a copy, I suggest you print off a copy of the ARPA as it exempts objects of little or no historical value. Highlight the code where it applies so it's easy to find if needed.

The code I posted put's the responsibility on the individual, one is expected to ask the park officials if any areas are off limits and look for signage.
 

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I'm glad to hear you printed off a copy, I suggest you print off a copy of the ARPA as it exempts objects of little or no historical value. Highlight the code where it applies so it's easy to find if needed.


Nugs, are you referring to sections 3.1 and 12.b ?
Also I added to the above mentioned posting of mine, see item in red.


OK here is where I am getting a bit confused, let me try to get this worded out correct. The national parks are controlled by the NPS (national park service), "BUT" don't they fall under the jurisdiction and rules set forth by the USFS, unless the NPS sets special rules for specific areas ie: Gettysburg? Cause I know for a fact you go on Gettysburg with a detector you will find yourself in prison.

Are the NPS and the USFS two separate entities and separate areas?
Meaning one set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the NPS and another set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the USFS?

Maybe its cause I'm tired close to bed time I get up at 5am for work.
 

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... ARPA exempts the collection of coins for personal use if the coins are not in an archaeological context.......

Ah yes, but that's the rub ! What do you do, if you run into some purist yahoo govt. archie that agrees that those coins are exempt........ yet turns right around says that the particular coin(s) YOU just found ARE "in an archaeological context" ? Because what I'm trying to tell you, is that in the eyes of some purist archies, ALL federal land (of whatever level and type entity/label it is), is an "archaeological site".

Do you see their end-run around that provision/exclusion?

My solution is simple: a) I do not ask silly questions of purists archies and b) I detect when they're not around to get their panties in a wad. Presto, problem solved.
 

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I'm glad to hear you printed off a copy, I suggest you print off a copy of the ARPA as it exempts objects of little or no historical value. Highlight the code where it applies so it's easy to find if needed.


Nugs, are you referring to sections 3.1 and 12.b ?
Also I added to the above mentioned posting of mine, see item in red.


OK here is where I am getting a bit confused, let me try to get this worded out correct. The national parks are controlled by the NPS (national park service), "BUT" don't they fall under the jurisdiction and rules set forth by the USFS, unless the NPS sets special rules for specific areas ie: Gettysburg? Cause I know for a fact you go on Gettysburg with a detector you will find yourself in prison.

Are the NPS and the USFS two separate entities and separate areas?
Meaning one set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the NPS and another set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the USFS?

Maybe its cause I'm tired close to bed time I get up at 5am for work.


I was referring to the sections I quoted in post #10 http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...l-detecting-national-forests.html#post4363595

"Meaning one set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the NPS and another set of rules for this park because it is regulated by the USFS?"

Yes they are separate entities/departments of the US Government and separate regulations.

The National Parks are controlled by the National Park Service (NPS) the National Forests are controlled by the United States Forest Service (USFS). Generally speaking if the park is of historical significance it will be NPS, if it's of geological significance it will USFS.

These regulations are for USFS only, however the ARPA applies to all property to which the US hold title.

It's illegal to metal detect in any National Park, but one can have a metal detector if it's broken down and packed away in a vehicle.

The ARPA only applies to items of historical significance, it does not apply to everything older than 100 years.

For example a coin found in a historical park in a historical district could be determined to have historical significance... depending on the specific history of course.

Now take the same exact coin, but it's found in a normal park in a normal neighborhood, it would be considered a lost coin of little or no historical significance.

Please keep in mind, I am not a lawyer and any park may have specific regulations I am unaware of.

If you have anymore questions I'm more than happy to help.
 

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Because what I'm trying to tell you, is that in the eyes of some purist archies, ALL federal land (of whatever level and type entity/label it is), is an "archaeological site".


This is hard to answer without bringing up politics, so all I can say is that is another one of those Cali things Tom...

There are not enough "purist archies" or environmentalists in Ohio to sway the votes...

California and a few other left leaning States are kicking EVERYBODY off ALL the land for EVERY reason. The ATV riders are threatening a chipmunk, the prospectors are threatening a fish, the campers are threatening a snail, the hikers are threatening a fungus, everybody is threating somebody except the Karuk Tribe, Trout Unlimited, the "purists" who support them, and the politicians garnering the votes and contributions.

Like I said if I lived in Cali... I'm wooking for nuggets ha hah ha haaa! :laughing7:

That is why I posted those regulations on prospecting for you! :wink:
 

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best to check in different park and forest
 

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The western Public Land Forests were created by the Organic Act of 1897. Those are the National Forests. They are public lands and are open to all forms of recreation including metal detecting.

The eastern non Public Land forests were acquired under the Weeks Act of 1911. These are not true National Forests but instead are legally known as "Purchase Units". There are a few exceptions like the Ocala in Florida (Florida is a Public Land State).

The US Forest Service administers those Purchase Units. Purchase Units are usually only surface rights and being acquired property they are not public lands but instead are United States Government owned property. Usually the subsurface (minerals, water, oil and gas) is still privately owned.

Often Purchase Units are designated only. When Congress designates a Purchase Unit they set aside money to purchase the land inside the unit boundaries. Land owners are under no obligation to sell to the government so many of the lands inside most Purchase Units is still privately owned.

Until the current privately owned lands inside the unit are sold to the federal government the unit exists only in the minds of the Forest Service administrators. Those administrators are allowed to make local rules and regulations for the lands already purchased but they can't make rules for the areas not yet purchased. Most Purchase Units are a swiss cheese mix of private and government owned lands. Management of these areas is a nightmare of different ownership and rights.

The National Forests created under the Organic Act all have exactly the same laws and regulations. Purchase Units under the Weeks Act are individually controlled and laws and regulations can vary every few hundred feet.

Here a map of the Weeks Act Purchase Units
. Remember that even though a Purchase Unit has been approved by Congress it doesn't mean that those areas are owned by the government.
 

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Thanks Nugs and thanks Clay. You guys have clarified a few things for me. Years ago I had a copy of that doc Nugs posted. I lost my copy and today's search brought me here. I'm printing it out and putting it in a ziploc bag to keep in my hunting vest.
 

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