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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    The great thing about old maps are they show you everything the way it was back in that timeline , when the map was made. Things change so much over time and sometimes even cities change names and are not in the same place anymore, so if your looking for something lost in 1820s the best place to start is with a 1820s map.Other wise you have nothing to go by....I wouldnt trust all those green signs /landmarks,most of the time they are close but put away from the direct area to keep the true site safe..Thats how they do it in my area of pensacola....

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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    the Treasure atlas by Thomas P Terry volume 3

    Who knows of this guy, are his books reliable sources?

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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    Don't know how much this article will help...also, here is a link that lists stories about Alexander Arbuthnot. After you click on this link >>> http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q...G=Search+Books <<<< then click on each link, it will open into a book.

    I hope something here will help.
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    Yeah read that book many times, the trial papers do not say anything about them trying to plead for their lives but the opposite, said Arbuthnot was quite strong and relied on England to avenge him.

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    Saw this article looking for Fowlers bluff. Thought it interesting.

    Here is the link to the website... I copied the text below it.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...-treasure.html

    Clues to Pirate Gold Unearthed in Florida, Treasure Hunters Claim
    Willie Drye in Fowler's Bluff, Florida
    for National Geographic News
    March 15, 2007

    Treasure hunters digging on a remote bluff overlooking Florida's Suwannee River claim they have found tantalizing evidence that pirate gold might be at the bottom of a muddy, 13-foot (4-meter) hole.

    "We've found mahogany wood samples, flecks of gold, and gold all over the diver's dive suit [after diving in the hole]," said Tommy Todd, a St. Petersburg landscaper who owns the property being excavated.



    * Grim Life Cursed Real Pirates of Caribbean (July 11, 2003)
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    * Interactive Map: Suwannee River

    Workers drilling at the site said they also found a sheet of gold wrapped around the drill bit when they withdrew it. Todd was not immediately able to show evidence of these finds.

    "We know there's something down there," he said.

    Todd and his partners, whom he declined to name, may be closing in on a treasure that—according to local lore—was buried in the area some 200 years ago by Jean LaFitte.

    LaFitte roamed the Gulf of Mexico in the early 19th century as a smuggler and privateer, though he reportedly described himself an entrepreneur and defender of American freedom.

    The spot near Fowler's Bluff, about 15 miles (24 kilometers) upriver from where the Suwannee meets the Gulf, was a likely hangout for LaFitte and such notorious colleagues as Jose Gaspar, Billy "Bowlegs" Rogers, and Black Caesar (see map of the Suwannee River).

    Todd thinks LaFitte may have left treasure chests on the property.

    "We're close to it," Todd said. "There are some interesting things going on. Our goal is to wrap up this year."

    Excavations "For Years and Years"

    Whatever might be at the bottom of the hole, pulling it out will be tricky.

    Beneath the mushy, silt-laden soil lies a "Swiss cheese honeycomb" of limestone, Todd said.

    f there is treasure down there, it's slowly settling deeper, Todd said. The earlier drilling may have burst the treasure chest and scattered its contents into the ooze, he added.

    The property is several hundred feet from where three or four previous excavations were made. Until 2000 that land was owned by Bill Wise, who operated a small waterfront bar there.

    Having heard the lore of LaFitte's gold, Wise and a Baptist minister used a metal detector to make several futile searches for the treasure. Wise sold the property in 2000, in part because he grew tired of treasure seekers knocking on his door.

    He told National Geographic News he didn't really expect to find buried loot on his former property.

    "It was a good advertisement thing for the bar, but I never put much faith in [finding the treasure]," he said. "I knew all these people had been trying for years and years."

    Hidden in Gainesville Mansion?

    The stories of previous searches are shrouded in legend and secrecy, but at least one early treasure hunter, a sawmill operator named Emmett Baird, may have struck gold on the land Wise once owned.

    In June 1945 The Saturday Evening Post published a story about the lore of the Suwannee's pirate gold.

    In 1897, the story said, a dying old man whom Baird had befriended gave him a map that prompted Baird and his business partner to hasten down to the Suwannee.

    After three months of excavations at Fowler's Bluff, Baird announced that he was abandoning the dig.

    But his behavior led some to believe that he may have pulled something out of the hole. Baird soon began investing in businesses in Gainesville, including a bank and a hardware store that became one of the largest in Florida (see map of Florida).

    In 1900 he also bought one of Gainesville's finest mansions. Speculation that Baird had used LaFitte's treasure to make these investments swirled around him for the rest of his life.

    So did stories that he'd hidden some of the gold on his Gainesville property.

    Today Baird's home is a bed-and-breakfast owned by Cindy and Joe Montaldo. Like Bill Wise at Fowler's Bluff, they've had people knocking on their door asking about LaFitte's treasure.

    One such visitor was the home's previous owner, who told the couple that he had searched the house for the legendary gold. He claimed that he and a friend had scanned one of the fireplaces with a metal detector, and the device "went crazy," Cindy Montaldo said.

    "He and his friend looked at each other, then they both started destroying the fireplace," she said.

    All they found, however, was a large piece of scrap iron that had been used in constructing the fireplace.

    Lost Lore

    The Montaldos bought the house in 1990 and began extensive renovations that included removing all the old walls. They didn't find any treasure.

    Local historian Melanie Barr told the couple that she'd found nothing to substantiate the story that Baird had bought the house with pirate's treasure.

    Even Baird's descendants are divided on the treasure tale, with one group saying he found treasure and another saying he didn't.

    The world may never know whether Emmett Baird hauled a fortune away from the Suwannee, or whether Jean LaFitte ever left anything there at all.

    But Tommy Todd said he hopes to announce the results of his treasure search by this fall.

    "It's time for those damn pirates to give it up," Todd said.
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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    Same old story without any proof or signs of getting closer. How hard is it to dig a hole or to parrallel dig next to that hole? Who knows? I just hope the other legends havn't found Arbutnots(if it exist) cache!

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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    The best clue so far to any REAL idea of money offered to spare their Lives is in the account of the trial where over nite the officers who presided over the trial suggested that Ambrister be given a reduced sentence.... something like that.... But that nite or early next AM, Jackson refused to grant any reprive. The executions were to be at 8 or 10 am and Jackson broke camp and hit the trail outa there at 6 AM. so u have to read between the lines....After the trail, Why else would some officers suggest to spare one or both of them?

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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    And Armbrister and Arbuthnot just showed up at St. Marks out of the blue one day....

  9. #39
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    What do you mean showed up one day out of the blue?

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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    Actually Arbuthnot was visiting the Commander at St Marks when Andrew Jackson and his troops rode into Camp. Jackson took him prisoner right there. Armbrister, by accident, days or several weeks later came to Old Town Suwney late one nite with two others, and they did not realize that Jacksons troop had taken over the town and Armbrister just stumbled into being captured by the picket line troops..... I think he was returning with Arbuthnots son, fresh from moving their goods to either the other side of the river, or south of there by the Boat. It would make more sense that they sailed south toward Tampa and unloaded their deerskins and power and maybe the coins.... and then returning did not know that Jackson had taken over Suwney. Because they also had a trading post near Tampa. (Suwney, thats the way they spelled it)

    I am puzzled why Arbuthnot son, was, by Jackson order " to be sent to Pensacola by first Vessel" and then is never metioned again. Was he letting the Son get to a major seaport and then get passage to freedom somewhere..... If some one can find out more about him and what happened when he got to P'cola, that would be interesting.

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    Ambrister came from Jacksonville area along with Arbuthnots clerk (peter Cook), I don't think he was involved with moving the goods, that was a letter sent from Arbuthnot to his son, I believe Ambrister handed out the hard goods to the negros and Indians to go to St Marks and free the fort. In tom terrys treasure atlas he says the 2 traders leaded for their lives and offered 8 kegs of gold and silver coins worth $100,000, said they are buried in high ground in california swamp, did they mean suwanee area or st marks area?

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    Here are some pictures from my Suwannee trip recently. If there was a trading post it has long been gone.
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    Re: Barrels of english coins buried in Cross City area

    HEY MAN! I didn't know you took that! Heres a couple more: The first one is Hog Island Bluff. The second one is Sabre15 and our guide. If you want to visit these islands, contact Capt. Keith Brown at www.suwanneeguides.com. He is an excellent guide and very reasonable.
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    Hey Pete, go and look at the cache hunting forum one, your pic with a better caption!

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    I have a MAP! dated 1818. Shows where Bowleg's Town was as well as some Negro Towns. All on the Suwanee. Below is some excerpts from that map. I'm not showing the Suwanee River but the whole map shows it.

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