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  1. #1
    ie
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    Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Greetings:

    Okay... here goes the wad. I am hoping someone out there can help. I have tried digging up information myself for close to twenty years - nothing going. As a kid, and still, I was a real local history buff. No kidding here, I'd dig through 19th century newspapers moldering away in the basement of the old Columbiana library at age twelve.

    At some point , I read an article, or it may have been a photocopy or reference to an article from the 1930's, relating background on Floyd and his comings and goings from Ohio. If I remember correctly, it gave a story and cited sources for a cache (some of it in gold coins) that he and a buddy hid away on a farm in Columbiana county (I'm not sure on this point, but I think I'm correct). I am betting it was somewhere in the neighborhood of Lisbon/Clarkson/Sprucevale.

    All this was prior to Floyd's death at the farm. His buddy was also killed at some juncture, but I seem to remember it was an accident or something that did him in. Whether it was an opportune death as far as the treasure is concerned, I can't recall. The author speculated (in passing), that at the time of his death Floyd was in the neighborhood to reclaim the stash. However, the law caught up to him first. Also, I don't remember any mention of relatives or friends owning the farm. So, it might have just been a convenient out of the way farmstead (I suppose many were abandoned during that period).

    Over the years (I am 50 now), I have searched for the article/info without success. Since I've had no luck at all, I figure I might as well put it out there. Anyone ever come across this story? If you have, please consider contacting me directly - if we can do that on this website.

    Starsplitter

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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Sorry...I have a lot of leads listed for Columbiana county but none that mention this one. Hopefully someone can help you find some information so you can research further! Happy Hunting!!

  4. #3

    Feb 2005
    Salem Ohio
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Starsplitter, Pretty Boy was killed in Elkton on a farm there right out side Lisbon. From what i understand the farm was owned by my wife grandmothers family at the time. Heard her tell the story a few times about them gunning him down while we were sitting around christmas dinner. But she never make any mention about him burying any money.

    I asked her a couple of different times why he was in the area, She says they would hear rumors that he was there or had been there. No one ever wanted to cross him so they just kept their mouths shut and minded their own business. Makes sense that he would have had a stash there if he came around that area a lot.

    Lot of old history around them parts. I grew up in Salem and we heard and seen all kinds of ganster related stuff as I was growing up.

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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Pretty Boy Floyd was born: Charles Arthur Floyd

    Born: in Georgia, but his parents moved to a farm near Sallisaw, Oklahoma in the hills of the Poteau Mountain country when he was a baby.

    When he was barely 20, he married a 16 yr old girl from Oklahoma, against her parents wishes. This marriage did not last...she left him. Her name was Ruby Hargraves, daughter of Ben Hargraves. She had divorced him, but later on, he kidnapped her and their son and took them back to the hills in Oklahoma. She was his first wife.

    During one of his prison terms, his father was slain in a mountain feud.

    He and his wife lived under the name of JACKSON for some time.

    Mother: Mrs. Walter Floyd
    Sons: Jack Dempsey Floyd and Charles Dempsey Floyd
    Sisters: two

    G-Men pumped his 200 lb athlete's body full of lead on the edge of an Ohio cornfield on a golden autumn afternoon.

    Heres how Charles Arthur Floyd, came by the sobriquet of "Pretty Boy" as told in his native eastern Oklahoma Hills. After beginning his career of outawry in St. Louis, Floyd returned to Sallisaw, where the Hill folk, impressed by his pocket comb and careful pompadour—"slick as axle grease"—dubbed him "Pretty Boy."

    Here's a pic of Pretty Boy with his wife and son... who is listed as Charles Dempsey. This photo was posted in the paper in 1934, but was an older photo. In 1934, his son was 11 years, not the age in the photo.

    His friends called him "Chee", he did not like "Pretty Boy".

    I'll try to post more later....
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  6. #5
    ie
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Thank you for the information. I grew up in Columbiana. I am very familar with the area, including Elkton and Beaver Creek/Sprucevale. However, things are missing - information, and, houses, etc. Many places I saw as a boy are now gone (in Elkton and elsewhere).

  7. #6
    ie
    Jan 2007
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Greetings:

    Here is some general information. If it rings a bell with anyone, drop a line.

    I am looking for a farm with a two story brick house. It had an east-west orientation, and could be accessed from Rogers-Clarkson Road. A large barn would also have been on the property. The land itself would have been sloping. Not steeply, but somewhat (also east to west). I believe that it would have been located south of Clarkson, but before Sprucevale. At one time, a road (maybe the farmer's) might have connected Rogers-Clarkson to the one that goes down to Beaver Creek State Park from Clarkson Church. Also, Gaston's Mill would have been considered a short distance by wagon (I know the location of the mill).

    Thanks.

    Starsplitter

  8. #7
    ie
    Jan 2007
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    I have located several properties that may have been visited by Floyd. Four of them are still standing. However, I need more information on the whereabouts of Floyd during his last days. I think he may have taken the information to the grave.

    Incidently, Floyd's death mask is on display in the laundry room (you read that right) of a bed and breakfast in East Liverpool (formerly the funeral home where he was taken immediately after his death). Go figure.

  9. #8
    ie
    Jan 2007
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    Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure - Update

    I am no longer chasing this "treasure" - I cannot find any direct evidence one exists. However, I have discovered some tidbits. Here are a couple that may be of interest to others.

    A story related by an 85 year old woman from East Liverpool, Ohio: her aunt had a liaison with Pretty Boy during the days immediately preceding his death. According to the story, the aunt met up with Floyd at a local general store under mysterious circumstances. She had a couple of days of fun (he had money). Then, after helping him steal a car, she dropped him fearing she'd already stretched family patience thin. The liaison was not advertised for fear of worsening the aunt's already poor reputation. During the war, the aunt went west and was not heard from again. For some reason, the family thought she joined the Women's Army Corps.

    Another is that Floyd stole a car in Mahoning County (whether it was the car mentioned above, I don't know). He dumped it (or another) at a local cemetery. Then, he stole another which stopped running shortly after. In response, he shot it several times. I suppose he stole another after that.

    I have no independent or contemporary verification of the above. But, they sound fun.


  10. #9
    ie
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    An interesting and informative article from the East Liverpool Historical Society (for pictures and diagrams go to the Society web site:

    East Liverpool Historical SocietyThe Death of Pretty Boy FloydTimothy Brookes wrote this article for the 1994 Pottery Festival Souvenir Program
    For several days in late October, 1934, East Liverpool and the surrounding area became the topic of front-page stories in every paper in the nation as one of the Depression's most famous desperadoes was gunned down by local lawmen and federal agents. One Cleveland reporter, moved to write a tongue-in-cheek poem about the exciting occurrences, would tell the tale:

    "Of how Pretty Boy Floyd was a doggone fool
    when he went to buy a dinner near East Liverpool."

    Long before his demise in Columbiana County, Charles Arthur Floyd rose through the criminal world, in the process killing at least ten people and robbing numerous banks. His notoriety was such that when John Dillinger fell outside the Biograph Theater in Chicago, J. Edgar Hoover named Floyd the second Public Enemy No. 1. Much of the interest in Floyd was due to a bloody rescue attempt in Kansas City in June 1933 which had resulted in the machine gun deaths of five persons, four of them police officers. Floyd, usually not shy about his exploits, denied any involvement but without success.

    Floyd went into hiding after the so-called Union Station Massacre. However, by October of the following year, he and his companion, a thug named Adam Richetti, and two sisters whose inconvenient husbands had been eliminated by Floyd, decided to leave their hideout in Buffalo, New York, and return to Floyd's home and favorite hide-out, the Cookson Hills of Oklahoma.

    On Saturday, October 20, the citizens of Wellsville, Ohio, were expecting nothing out of the ordinary. Reports of a bank robbery the previous day in Tiltonsville, forty miles down the Ohio River, were hardly grounds for concern. The dullness of the day began to change when Wellsville Police Chief John Fultz received a phone call from a resident near Silver Switch. The caller, Lon Israel, reported that he had observed two suspicious-looking men with guns hiding on a hillside. Fultz, with Special Officers Grover Potts and William Erwin, immediately went out to investigate. Discovering two men wrapped in blankets as if they were camping, Fultz approached the nearer of the two, who suddenly drew a pistol and opened fire. His companion fled up the hillside, shooting as he went. Grazed in the ankle by a bullet, the undaunted chief emptied his own revolver at the nearer man, who held his hands up in submission. As Fultz hustled his unknown prisoner back to the car, the two special police continued to exchange shots with the fleeing stranger. They later reported that twenty-nine bullets were fired at them before their assailant made good his escape. One of these shots struck Potts in the right shoulder ending his career as a volunteer policeman.


    Wellsville Police Chief John Fultz (right) with his prisoner, Adam Richetti.
    The prisoner gave a false name, but eventually was identified as Adam Richetti. He maintained that the escaped bandit was a Toledo man named James Warren. Fultz was unconvinced. Certain that he had traded shots with none other than Pretty Boy Floyd, he notified the federal authorities in Chicago.

    While police in Wellsville speculated as to his identity, Floyd had flagged down a motorist, George McMullin of East Liverpool and put additional distance between himself and the scene of the shooting. When McMullin's Model T inopportunely ran out of gas, Floyd, with his first unnerved chauffeur in tow, commandeered a second ride from James Baum, a sixty-year-old Wellsville florist. Baum was directed to stay on back roads, but eventually his Nash was seen approaching the village of Lisbon on U.S. Route 30. Chief Fultz had warned the sheriffs department to set up a roadblock, and Floyd saw that his escape was frustrated. Deputy George E. Hayes and Lisbon Police Officer George Patterson were manning the roadblock when Floyd ordered Baum to turn back the way they had come. Although they had been told to look out for a Ford, the strange behavior of the men in the Nash seemed to demand further explanation. Hayes and Patterson followed.

    The suspicious auto, after climbing the hill out of Lisbon, veered onto a secondary highway, appropriately named Roller Coaster Road. One of the many inconsistencies in the Floyd saga now occurs. According to Deputy Hayes, who was later county sheriff and lived into his eighties, Floyd broke out the rear window of the Nash and opened fire on the pursuing vehicle; one bullet smashed its windshield, narrowly missing Hayes. In this version, the officers fired at Floyd as he fled into an adjacent woods, and they continued to be raked by Floyd's return fire, even after he had gained the relative security of the trees. Somewhere "in the excitement", Hayes reported, Baum was shot in the leg.

    Quite a different story was remembered by Baum's daughter. Her account agrees in large part with the Hayes version up to the beginning of the shooting. Baum told his family that when they had stopped the car, the unknown passenger had gotten into the woods without anyone shooting at him. Then, when Baum and McMullin exited the car with raised hands, the two officers opened fire on them, putting one bullet through the florist's leg and five into the car. Adding insult, the unwounded McMullin was taken back to Lisbon in handcuffs, while a bleeding Baum was told to stay put until they returned for him. Perhaps it was some consolation to be subsequently visited by the famed Melvin Purvis, who advised the family not to tell their story to the numerous reporters, as Floyd might have friends who would seek revenge.

    By the end of day, most of Columbiana County was being combed by police, deputies and armed citizens. Numerous federal agents were en route, including Purvis, who took charge of the manhunt when he arrived on Sunday evening. Purvis, no doubt unknowingly, heated up a long- standing intercity rivalry by first consulting with Chief Fultz but then setting up his main headquarters in East Liverpool. Chief Fultz would later complain bitterly of Purvis's highhandedness and lack of diplomacy with his department. When Fultz's chance for retaliation came, it was fully exercised.


    The Thompson sub-machine gun recovered at the Silver Switch shootout
    On Sunday the search continued. A submachine gun was found in the vicinity of the initial confrontation, but otherwise the quarry eluded the dozens of searchers. In the Wellsville City Jail, Adam Richetti was literally surrounded by hastily deputized and heavily armed citizens who were expected to fend off any attempt by Floyd to break him out. Fingerprints provided undeniable proof of the prisoner's identity, but he remained uncooperative concerning the identity of his companion or how they had arrived in Wellsville. Fultz maintained that he had wounded Floyd, and newspaper accounts of blood found in the commandeered vehicles led police to believe that Pretty Boy was seriously wounded. Like many other parts of the story, the wounds proved to be imaginary.



    Widow Ellen Conkle, with the dishes used by Floyd in what turned out to be his last meal.
    For nearly forty-eight hours, Floyd remained at large and unseen. In mid-afternoon on Monday, October 22, he emerged from the woods near an area known as Sprucevale, eight miles southeast of his last sighting, where he approached the farmhouse of Mrs. Ellen Conkle, a widow. A disheveled Floyd explained to her that he had gotten lost while hunting and had spent the previous night wandering through the woods. He was hungry, and Mrs. Conkle prepared a meal of spareribs, potatoes, rice pudding, and pumpkin pie, which Pretty Boy consumed rapidly and termed "fit for a king". He offered Mrs. Conkle a dollar for her trouble and asked to see any recent newspapers.


    Floyd read the news of Adam Richetti's capture on Mrs. Conkle's front porch
    Unknown to Floyd, he had been observed walking in the area by a farmer who telephoned township Constable Clyde Birch who, in turn, relayed the report to the East Liverpool City Police. Acting on the tip, one of several already received, East Liverpool Police Chief High J. McDermott rounded up Patrolmen Chester C. Smith, Glenn Montgomery, and Herman Roth and set out. Purvis and four agents followed in a second vehicle.


    Stewart Dyke's Model A-- in which Floyd took his last ride
    Meanwhile, having concluded his review of the papers, which detailed the capture of Richetti and the ongoing manhunt, Floyd asked for Mrs. Conkle's assistance in getting to Youngstown. She suggested that Floyd wait until her brother, Stewart Dyke, finished his work in the fields. Floyd sat in the front seat of Dyke's Modal A until his return. When Pretty Boy explained that he wanted transportation to Youngstown or the nearest bus line, Dyke promised to take him part of the way, and they started to pull out of the farmyard. At that crucial moment, two cars came speeding down the Sprucevale Road toward the Conkle farm. Floyd, sensing danger, ordered Dyke to pull the car behind an adjacent corncrib, saw a pair of blue-trousered legs get out of the car. As the police and federal agents approached the corncrib, Floyd made a break for the woods, holding a Colt automatic in his right hand.


    The scene near East Liverpool where Floyd finally met his fate is graphically described in this diagram by an artist as published in the East Liverpool Review
    Nine officers, variously armed with pistols, rifles, and shotguns, blazed away as Floyd zigzagged across the field. Ninety-three shots were directed at the outlaw; for once, he did not shoot back. Hit, Floyd fell to his knees, then got up and continued his race for life. A second bullet knocked him down to stay.

    Not surprisingly, the accounts of the participants differ widely. Purvis later claimed that Floyd was hit by an agent armed with a Tommy gun. Patrolman Chester Smith asserted that it was his shots with a .32-20 Winchester that had dropped Floyd and, further, that the federal agents were armed only with pistols and "couldn't have hit anything at that distance with their handguns".


    The pistols taken from Floyd at his capture
    Floyd was alive when the lawmen came up to where he lay. The Colt was removed from his right hand, which had been paralyzed by a wound. A backup gun was found in the waistband of his trousers.

    When Purvis asked the criminal if he was Pretty Boy Floyd, he received the curt response, "I'm Floyd". He then asked the police, "Where's Etti?", presumably a reference to his captured associate. When asked by Purvis about the Kansas City Massacre, Floyd snapped, "I won't tell you anything, you son-of-a-*****." Depending on whose version is more accurate, these may well have been Floyd's last words. The three Liverpool patrolmen carried him to the shelter of a large apple tree where Public Enemy No. 1 died.

    Purvis quickly left the scene in order to place a telephone call to J. Edgar Hoover. Floyd's body was driven back to East Liverpool, propped up in the rear seat between Officers Smith and Montgomery. They left the body at the Sturgis Funeral Home.

    Within hours a telegram was received from Floyd's mother in Oklahoma, requesting that her son's body not be photographed or exhibited to the public. Her wishes were ignored as a flood of curiosity seekers lined up to view Floyd's body, which was displayed lying on a cot. Newsmen estimated that more than ten thousand people filed past the corpse that night and the following day. Numerous photos were taken, and a pottery worker was permitted to make a death mask from which a number of plaster casts were distributed among the officers prominent in running him down.


    The body was displayed on a cot while crowds waited hours to view the body

    Floyd's body at the Sturgis Funeral Home morgue - note bullet wound in left torso.
    An extra edition of the East Liverpool Review reported that Floyd's body contained a dozen wounds. Later, however, doctors who had examined the body closely described only two bullet wounds through the lower torso and one in the right forearm.

    On the morning of October 24, Floyd's body was shipped home on a Pennsylvania Railroad baggage car. Four days later the finally peaceful outlaw's interment in Akins, Oklahoma, attracted more than fifty thousand curiosity seekers to the biggest funeral ever seen in that state.

    While the shooting may have ended on the Conkle farm, the fighting between federal authorities and Chief Fultz was just warming up. Purvis returned to Wellsville and requested that Richetti he turned over to federal authorities who were anxious to interrogate him regarding the Union Station slayings. Chief Fultz's outright refusal to deal with Purvis remained firm, ever after criticism from Hoover himself. Instead, Richetti was arraigned in Wellsville Mayor's Court on charges of carrying a concealed weapon and shooting with intent to kill. The prisoner, who had $98 on him when captured, pleaded guilty to the weapons charge and was fined $75 and costs. The following day he was transferred to the antiquated county jail in Lisbon where he was twice paraded outside for the benefit of assembled schoolchildren.

    Editor's note: According to the FBI website (link below) the women were identified as Rose and Beulah Baird who showed up at Floyd's funererl in Akins, OK.
    Once he learned of Floyd's death, Richetti explained that while approaching Wellsville, their car had been damaged in an accident and needed repairs. The pair decided that it would be safer to send their female companions into town with the car while Floyd and Richetti waited in the hollow where they were discovered. The identity of the women was never disclosed, and they apparently left the area after the first gun battle.

    Eventually, under threat of federal contempt citations, the Wellsville authorities permitted Richetti's return to Kansas City, where he was convicted of murder and became the first to die in Missouri's newly constructed gas chamber. The submachine gun found by Chief Fultz was later turned over to the FBI who displayed it, along with Floyd's Colt, in their Washington, D.C., headquarters.

    The Pretty Boy Floyd story still retains a curious attraction in the area where he met his demise. Any discussion of the outlaw brings out the opinions of those who "knew somebody" or "saw something" and thus are privy to the "real story". People of sufficient years frequently boast of having stood in line for a brief view of Floyd laid out in death.


    Plaster death mask made while Floyd was being prepared for public display.
    In his final years, Chester C. Smith, the former East Liverpool patrolman and last survivor of the law enforcement officers present at the Conkle farm, announced for the first time that after Floyd's wounding, Melvin Purvis had ordered one of the agents to finish him off. In 1979, Time magazine carried a brief article incorporating Smith's expose, including the assertion that Floyd was summarily executed with a burst from a submachine gun. While contradicting his earlier accounts, Smith's allegations gave new life to an old story and its many variations. Smith's death in 1984 marked the end of the direct participants in the Floyd story, but certainly not the end of the controversy it engendered.

    Poor Charles Floyd was the bandits' pride -
    They knew him in the hills where he did hide -
    But Columbiana County ain't no Ozark Hill
    And down in Ohio they shoot to kill



    As mentioned above, there are numerous versions of the Pretty Boy Floyd story. The following links show some of the differences:

    To get the official take on the story, start with the FBI web site
    Wickipedia also has information.
    This site is from folks in Floyd's birth place
    The Sturgis House site has a bit about their former "guest"
    Couldn't determine the author of this page, but seems to have been well researched here in ELO.
    Guide to tourist attractions in the U.S. writes about the Sturgis House Bed and Breakfast.

    Two views of the Conkle Farm site: on the left the entrance to the farm, on the right the site of the old corn crib.

    In 1993, the East Liverpool Historical Society and the Ohio Historical Society teamed up to place a marker at the site of the Conkle farm

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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure


  12. #11
    us
    Mar 2009
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    Hi Starsplitter. Here's a link to old ohio topo maps from the early 1900's:
    http://railsandtrails.com/USGS1900/OH/index.html

    You will need the Djvu plugin to view the maps. Plugin can be downloaded here:
    http://www.celartem.com/en/download/djvu.asp

    These maps are great for locating old buildings and roads which no longer exist.
    They also show the topography of the land at the time.

    I attached a screenshot of the Clarkson/Sprucevale area you mentioned.

    Good Luck
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  13. #12

    Mar 2007
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    My great uncle was in the local paper many years back because he was detecting near the area where the maker was placed commemorating Pretty Boy Floyd's death. He found a bullet near the site and there was some speculation about whether it was one of the ones fired at him when he was killed.

  14. #13
    ie
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    Re: Pretty Boy Floyd Treasure

    I was fortunate enough to be contacted by one of Floyd's descendents. There are a lot of family Pretty Boy stories (as can be expected). In any case, I doubt any of his money was cached around Columbiana County - pretty (no pun intended), sure of it now. But, the history and story are great. Last fall I hung out with friends ghost hunting of all things above Conkle's farm. No, Pretty Boy did not make an appearance

 

 

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