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  1. #91
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    Apr 2011
    Philipsburg, PA
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    Re: dents run treasure

    Why would they coat the gold with tar to disguise it and then put it in iron boxes?

  2. #92
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    Karl

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    Re: dents run treasure

    Hi Schieftain
    I think there would be a lot of reasons for this
    1. To properly transport the Gold in the wagons--allowing them
    to 'tie down' the safes to the wagon base to secure them and prevent
    any movement.
    2. The Army would undoubtedly use safes with a lock and key (maybe
    given to the Lt?) to protect this high valued cargo--I don't see them just
    throwing them into a wagon, do you?
    3. Even though the bars may have been tarred that's not going to fool
    anyone who can observe their shape/size and weight, including the one's
    who loaded them into the wagons. Pig Iron adds some 'screen' to a heavy cargo
    and further protects their 'identity'.
    4. I worked for the military and this is their MO.

    I think those boxes Dennis found fits this theory perfectly.
    What do you think ?



  3. #93
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    Apr 2011
    Philipsburg, PA
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    Re: dents run treasure

    According to the old accounts, the bars were originally hidden in wooden crates, marked as machinery bound for the Mint in Philadelphia. The crates were transferred from a packet boat to the wagons. No one in the party except the Lt. knew what the real cargo was. That night, he paid the men and they went into town and got drunk. While they were gone, he unloaded the gold from the crates and transfers it to the hidden compartments in the wagon bottoms. There is no mention of strong-boxes in any of the accounts but I guess it's possible. It would have been more weight, and unless he opened each box, removed the gold, put the box in the bottom of the wagon and re-loaded it with gold, it would have been too heavy for one man to lift alone. Those bars were about 42 lbs each, 6 of them would be close to 250 lbs. The accounts say he was the only one who knew, but I think he had to have help, otherwise, he couldn't have removed the crates from the wagons to access the wagon bottoms.

  4. #94
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    Karl

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    Re: dents run treasure

    I didn't read or hear that record.
    Either way its a very heavy cargo, and I wouldn't expect
    any one man handling each bar individually and transferring them
    from crates into strong boxes--that would have to be many men.
    But based on the evidence so far wherever and however they came
    into play, it seems like the pig iron boxes are the repository
    of the Gold? Time will tell.
    Thanks for your insight, it will be very interesting to see this
    whole recreation story one day on the History Channel.


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  5. #95
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    Apr 2011
    Philipsburg, PA
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    Re: dents run treasure

    Yes, pretty heavy, and iron strongboxes were heavy themselves. Often over 100lbs.
    So add 6-8 bars of gold and you're talking around 350-450 lbs.
    People I've talked to say there were 52 bars (not 26).
    So you would need about 7 boxes (approx 2800 lbs.), split between 2 wagons.
    That's do-able, those wagons were rated for about that much weight per wagon, with 6-mules pulling it.
    Supposedly they had 4 mules pulling each wagon, not the 6 that was standard.
    Whatever the case may be, it will be interesting to see what the camera reveals...

  6. #96
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    Karl

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    Re: dents run treasure

    The 52 bar count idea would definitely lend more weight (no pun intended)
    to burying most of the bars.
    The whole story intrigues me because that would mean you would need
    maybe at least 6-8 men to do that and it would take some time to bury
    them. The ambush scenario doesn't seem to lend credence to a timely
    and deep burying of the bars?
    What do you think?

  7. #97
    us
    Apr 2011
    Philipsburg, PA
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    Re: dents run treasure

    There are many theories on what happened.

    I don't see how it could be buried deep in that area given the type of ground (a few inches of soil over mostly solid rock). BUT.. if there were a cave nearby, it could be stashed there, and there are small caves in the area. And caves can collapse, or be filled in, so it could in effect be "buried" that way.

    I've also seen rocky places in that general area where there are BIG, deep crevices that go down in the rock. It could have been lowered down into a large crevice.

    But I'm just speculating. I don't have any theory on it myself that I favor.

    I do think the bulk of it was stashed, too much weight for a few guys (whoever won the fight) to haul out without wagons. They may have taken a couple of bars each, but I doubt all of it.

  8. #98
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    Karl

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    Re: dents run treasure

    Dennis Did you get any pictures ?
    Thanks

  9. #99
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    Re: dents run treasure

    I dont know...I hate to be the pessimist. But, I do know with just doing common metal detecting you can find
    metal almost anywhere. You can be in the middle of the woods 2 miles from a road and find old scrap metal in the ground.
    I don't mean to take the wind from your sails, but I am a bit of a realist. I think it's great you took this initiative and really did something, BUT

    That's alot of loot. I really can't see how it would be lost so easy with noone getting it especially that is has been common knowledge for so long.

    I think what we all need to consider is the premise of truth: Would anyone who had found it tell another they did?
    I dont think anyone with a brain in their skull would have spoken up and said they found it if they did. You would either end up in someone's crosshairs or have the government knocking on your door as it was a federal shipment. So in other words, chances are if it was found it was kept a secret.

    Just recently, a treasure expedition in the Carribean air lifted the bounty off an old wreck to avoid detection and scrutiny from a foreign country trying to lay claim on a wreck that was nearly 400 years old in international waters. These aren't new ideas.

    We aren't talking 1700 feet down in the Carribean Sea here...we are talking a wooded area in Pennsylvania.

    Anyone have a satellite photo of the Dent's run location they can link?

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  10. #100
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    Re: dents run treasure

    i guess thats why i never believe anything i read (esp treasure legends) and only half of what i see
    down and dirty

  11. #101
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    Karl

    Jun 2011
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    Re: dents run treasure

    What is your drilling profile?
    Are you concentrating it within the 4x4 foot area?

  12. #102
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    Re: dents run treasure

    I still dont see any gold.

    Didn't Mark Twain have a saying for something about gold mines.


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  13. #103
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    Karl

    Jun 2011
    Quakertown PA
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    Re: dents run treasure

    I think Dennis' saying about 'mines' are better--50% and book/movie rights are 'mines'
    Dennis: Did your GPL help pinpoint the gold?

  14. #104
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    Nov 2010
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    Re: dents run treasure

    Am I seeing different photos that what others are seeing? You mention photos of workers, but I only see what looks to be two young kids. Am I missing something?? Do you have any clearer photos? Why should you abandoned drilling the pig iron, are there better targets to drill? I still wonder why they would have buried them so deep, that's a lot of work without digging equipment, which I doubt they had with them.

  15. #105

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    Re: dents run treasure

    I'm guessing they were put down Crevices
    between rocks.

    Dosn't make sense to me,
    to dig that deep either.

 

 
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