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  1. #616
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    The video gives you an idea of the terrain. I used to own a fulltrack and several swamp buggies. This may help explain why Im trying to research backwards to find if the legend has any truth to it.

    Apparently the Lost City of moonshiners is true. But I dont yet know about Confederate gold outside of treasure books, 1940's newsclippings, treasure hunters, swamp rats and dowsers.

    Here are a couple of pics of my old swamp vehicle. I think it was about 1978-79 or early 80's
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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    Sent you a PM concerning a research error I made on this thread.
    Hello ECS. No worry. I think the "lost city" of the moonshiners has just been confirmed as Horseshoehead. I think the mileage whether it be 40, 45, or 50 doesnt matter lol. I just got excited for a second. Keep researching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    You all may already have this clipping:

    The Evening Independent - Google News Archive Search
    Yes, I just received it yesterday. I was still considering whether to post it online.

    I think you have pretty much confirmed the Lost city or Ghost Village was on Horseshoehead in the Miccosuki Indian Reservation.

    What I really need is confirmation from 1865, that the gold shipment actually exists. It may be none other than a moonshiners camp as they are scattered throughout the swamp. Its common knowlege Al Capone was set up in the area.

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    The link posted by signal says the ghost town is 30 miles west of here. (Fort Lauderdale). Records indicate from 10, 30, 40, 45 and 50 miles west of Fort Laud so it makes it hard to pinpoint a location.

    It would seem a great place for moonshiners. Al Capones casino was off the old Tamiami Trail. I have pictures but I cannot post them out of respect for the homeowner who lives on the property.

    Im thinking Horseshoehead is the Ghost City location 40 plus miles west and it was abandoned after prohibition as there was not as much money to be made. There would no longer be any reason to live in such a remote godforsaken mosquito infested area. Or they could have been murdered by Al Capones men. The Confederate relics were probably brought home by ex-soldiers or Seminoles that may have lived on the island prior to the moonshiners. Or it may have originally been a Seminole War Outpost.
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    bigcypresshunter were you able to eventually download the links I posted?

    Here is some exciting confederate treasury stuff i dug up, including entries in a diary of someone who was part of the transport

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14091323/swampgold.zip

    Also another really good read, but I could not find it online (try the library or purchase it) is:

    Last Train South: The Flight of the Confederate Government from Richmond by James C. Clark

    I am going to try to dig up more, so far some of the stories talk about Archer, Fl and the Cotton Plantation and all that, so thats exciting but nothing that would give indication of transport over the Everglades, I did not read each article in detail I just skimmed, but let me know if there are any "references/bibliography" that you want me to pull the articles from

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    More good confederate gold documents talking of the transport:

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14091323/swampgold2.zip

    please let me know if you have trouble seeing these. I won't have them their forever, so I wish there was something better I could do long term, but they will be there a few weeks.

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    Ok last one tonight, some more good finds on confederate finance, blockade runners and the everglades during the civil war

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14091323/swampgold3.zip

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    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    More good confederate gold documents talking of the transport:

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14091323/swampgold2.zip

    please let me know if you have trouble seeing these. I won't have them their forever, so I wish there was something better I could do long term, but they will be there a few weeks.
    This site is not working well for me last 2 days. I believe I saw your files popup somewhere on my computer but I had to go out and I cant find them now.

    Anyway I think you are finding the flight of the Confederate treasury. There is tons of information online about this.

    I believe we are looking for a completely different gold shipment. This one involves Capt Riley and its either payroll or cattle money, NOT the Confederate Treasury

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    Now that I know where to search Im finding that this Confederate gold story must have been written in almost every newspaper in the country on sept 22, 1949. But they all say basically the same thing. It must be the old API news on teletype..

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    Bigcypresshunter,

    I put my files here so it would be easier for you to get:

    ftp://anonymousassword@www.feeny.org:21

    just click the link, go inside the director swampgold and they aren't zipped or anything they are straight PDF's. Let me know if it works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post

    Anyway I think you are finding the flight of the Confederate treasury. There is tons of information online about this.

    I believe we are looking for a completely different gold shipment. This one involves Capt Riley and its either payroll or cattle money, NOT the Confederate Treasury
    The Everglades Confederate gold legend is NOT part of the Confederate Treasury,but over time as the legend grew,it became intwined in it.
    Example: The gold depository in Ft Knox DID NOT exist in 1865.
    Cuba,besides being a trading partner of the CSA,was also the destination of fleeing members of Jefferson Davis' cabinet-CSA Sec of War,John Breckinridge did make it to Cuba,with a part of the CSA treasury. Reporting that Riley was on his way to Cuba with the gold could be a logical embellished added from other stories.Questions to consider:
    What was Capt Riley's motivation to be in south Florida? Was it to make a gold payment for Cattle? Was it to run to Cuba with the gold,and who in Cuba would recieve it?
    Where were the Union persuers garrisoned?Was the Florida CSA COW CAVALRY involved?
    Did Capt John Riley Bless McIntosh (blockade runner who was never captured),ever return to Florida?Did his daughter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by signal View Post
    Bigcypresshunter,

    I put my files here so it would be easier for you to get:

    ftp://anonymousassword@www.feeny.org:21

    just click the link, go inside the director swampgold and they aren't zipped or anything they are straight PDF's. Let me know if it works for you.
    OK it worked. I will study them tonight. thanks. How long will they work?

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    BTW the pennies were 1861, not 1863 and it was his father that was 12 not 16.. See how easy it is to get the story mixed up lol?

    I looked back to page 4 on my screen and here is my story:


    OK heres the story. I happen to be talking about hunting in the Everglades with my friends mechanic, and he told me an interesting discovery made by his father back in 1958. His father, stlill alive and well, was 12 years old at the time. Much of the Everglades was unexplored at the time and hunters were building hunting camps on the higher ground. His family owned a well drilling company and they wanted a deep well for the camp. They started drilling and hit something solid, not too deep (less than 10 feet). The pipe soon became clogged. They hit the pipe with hammers and was surprised to see what was being sucked up. IT WAS PENNEYS! 1861 pennies were being sucked out of the ground! They kept pumping until they filled two galvanized buckets full of these pennies. He said they were not worn and appeared to be straight from the mint. He believes they were Indian Heads and all dated 1861. Since no one lived in the Glades at the time but Indians, they assumed it was a payroll stolen by the Indians at the end of the Third Seminole War and buried on this old Indian mound.

    Now I thought this very interesting. The Seminole War ended in 1858. I would have to think this was Civil War related. I need some help here. What would 1861 pennies be doing buried in the Everglades? Could this be related to my lost $200,000 Confederate payroll? Did the Confederates use Indian Head pennies? Could he have mistaken these coins as Indian Heads? Are pennies commonly carried in payrolls? Being 12 yrs old at the time his father witnessed this event, he could be mistaken about the details, but there is no doubt in my mind that the story is true. He didnt say they found any gold, but they werent looking either. They only unclogged the pipe to drill a well. He even told me the approximate location, and it fits the legend, but would not be able to find it easily. I know one thing, there is a metal galvanized pipe in the ground at the exact location, if I can locate the old camp.

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    Thoughts on the origin of Confederate gold

    In 1861,the CSA took over the US BRANCH MINTS at Charlotte,NC,Dahlonega,Ga,and New Orleans.Only the New Orleans mint was used by the Confederacy to produce coins.From Jan 29,1861 to May 30,1861 the CSA mint produced $1,356,136.00 in gold and silver coins -then ran out of bullion.
    CSA Treasury Sec. Christopher G Memminger ordered asst treasurer (New Orleans) Anthony Guirot to ship remaining assets (unrefined gold and silver ?)to Lewis Quillan,assayer, at the reopened CONFEDERATE ASSAY OFFICE at Dahlonega in Feb,1862.
    Recieved in June,1862,Quillan assayed and casted 900oz gold and 17,000oz silver into bars and bullion.
    It was crated and loaded onto wagons,Oct 1,1862,to be shipped to Atlanta,then to be loaded onto a train for Augusta for deposit in Thomas Metcalf's CONFEDERATE DEPOSITARY BANK.
    The bars and bullion NEVER ARRIVED,and has never been accounted for.
    Note,the 1862 price for gold was $20oz,and silver $1.21oz,which would make that shipment worth $38,570.00.
    Also,the CSA used whatever hard money that was available,US,Mexican silver dollars,British pounds,ect.
    So,the question,where would the gold in the Everglades have originated? Is the half ton in the legend accurate?
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    The spot where I think 1000 pounds of gold is buried is around 1000 feet from I-75. When I say spot, I mean EXACT spot. I can point to the ground where to dig. Unfortunately it is now buried very deep. It is on Indian property and the location is very high and dry. I do not know or care how it got there or who buried it. I was shown this location in 1990 and two other people who are still alive were with me. They went back without me and were ordered off the property. Thats all I am going to say.

 

 
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