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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    The spot where I think 1000 pounds of gold is buried is around 1000 feet from I-75. When I say spot, I mean EXACT spot. I can point to the ground where to dig. Unfortunately it is now buried very deep. It is on Indian property and the location is very high and dry. I do not know or care how it got there or who buried it. I was shown this location in 1990 and two other people who are still alive were with me. They went back without me and were ordered off the property. Thats all I am going to say.
    You say you dont care about the history but you should use the history if you are going to write about it or make a movie. We are doing all the research and you are welcome to use it as long as we are working together.

    BigDogDad, I dont know if you missed this quote from 2009. Does it mean anything to you? Did you say you were there in 1987 with Ovid? Would Ovid have been 78 in 1984? Alligator Alley and I-75 are now one and the same but they were not in 1984. Alligator Alley first opened in 1969 and was widened to four lanes between 1986 and 1992.
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    "Now the other gold shipment or payroll is on Federal Land. One of the locations is less than 1000 feet from alligator alley. Federal Land, fenced, posted, swamp, snakes and alligators. But it is there. Actually seen the map of the locations back in 1984. Long, long story of were the map came from. A treasure hunter friend of mine was contacted by an attorney to contract salvage rights for his client who's father left him the map. The client was 78 in 1984. My friend lived on the west coast and contacted me to determine the feasibility. Not knowing the location I needed something to determine the effort required. So the old fellow snapped some pictures of the map. It was about 3' x 4' and an original. Then took close ups of a few locations and cut them out so there was no reference to the rest of the map and sent them to me. He sent me a picture of the map he took at a distance so as not to reveal anything. I had it blown up at a photography studio and bam there it all was. I was also able to identify the locations after comparing the cut outs to the same copy of the map I got from the historical society.

    I said I would do it and then he says, "OK, now let's contact the government so I can legally claim it" I told my friend to tell him if he does that he loses it all. And that is were we parted ways. I doubt seriously he ever did anything with the map and the area is so treacherous for someone that age, who by now is 103 or dead. So the stuff is probably still there. Great Story eh? I had the gold bug bite me and I was fanatic over it for 10 years. I even gave away my detectors and quit altogether. I still like to research and read the forums."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    The spot where I think 1000 pounds of gold is buried is around 1000 feet from I-75. When I say spot, I mean EXACT spot. I can point to the ground where to dig. Unfortunately it is now buried very deep. It is on Indian property and the location is very high and dry. I do not know or care how it got there or who buried it. I was shown this location in 1990 and two other people who are still alive were with me. They went back without me and were ordered off the property. Thats all I am going to say.
    I have a story of someone arrested there a few years back but I havent searched for it yet.

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    I should not have said I did not care about the details of how the gold got there. Its just that I don't have the time or interest to do a lot of the research that is already being done by others. Treasures could be found and have no trace of who put them there. I have a very interesting first hand story concerning this treasure that I am just not ready to share. Ovid was 84 in 1984. I did see the post about the 1000 feet from alligator alley. The truth is if my old buddy Ovid could locate the gold so can others. It is right out in the open and very deep. No one is going to dig it up without permission. The indians could if they want to. They may already know where it is. I have stood over the top of it.

    The story that I was told at the time was that this was a gold shipment being sent to England as an up front payment for arnament. The confederates had no factories to produce cannons and had to buy them from the British who wanted to be payed up front. As the soldiers tried to cross the Everglades they got to a point and decided they could go no further. They buried the gold and turned around and headed back west. The gold was not recovered. Thats all I know and need to know. The most important thing to me is the EXACT spot it is now and how to get permission to dig it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    The story that I was told at the time was that this was a gold shipment being sent to England as an up front payment for arnament. The confederates had no factories to produce cannons and had to buy them from the British who wanted to be payed up front. As the soldiers tried to cross the Everglades they got to a point and decided they could go no further. They buried the gold and turned around and headed back west. The gold was not recovered. Thats all I know and need to know. The most important thing to me is the EXACT spot it is now and how to get permission to dig it up.
    Thanks for sharing the story. Do you know the source? Who told you? Ovid?

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    I think Ovid knew some of the story. The two guys that were with us had a lot of old books. They were riding in the van and had brought some books along. They were convinced the trip would be a waste of time because of the "Sea of Grass". These two guys were involved in the prior testing of Ovid's dowsing abilities. After he passed their tests they wanted to go along to see where some of the treasures were. They went back to this spot with their own equipment without me knowing. I just found out about this recently. The one that I talked to said that their electronic equipment confirmed the gold was there. They were ordered off the property but I don't think they got in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    I think Ovid knew some of the story. The two guys that were with us had a lot of old books. They were riding in the van and had brought some books along. They were convinced the trip would be a waste of time because of the "Sea of Grass". These two guys were involved in the prior testing of Ovid's dowsing abilities. After he passed their tests they wanted to go along to see where some of the treasures were. They went back to this spot with their own equipment without me knowing. I just found out about this recently. The one that I talked to said that their electronic equipment confirmed the gold was there. They were ordered off the property but I don't think they got in trouble.
    Old treasure books?

    I think you mean that the electronic equipment confirmed metal or non-ferrous metal underground. I dont think there is any type of electronic metal detecting equipment that can confirm gold underground. Correct me if Im wrong.

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    These guys had their own equipment that they created. They claimed it could differentiate gold from silver. I do not want to go into any of this. Let's just say they were convinced it was there. I am not going to have any more to say on this whole treasure site subject. It does not matter what anyone thinks as far as how it affects the truth. If you can get permission to dig, your in. If not, I will eventually get it myself. At this point i am not in a hurry. Anything can change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    These guys had their own equipment that they created. They claimed it could differentiate gold from silver. I do not want to go into any of this. Let's just say they were convinced it was there. I am not going to have any more to say on this whole treasure site subject. It does not matter what anyone thinks as far as how it affects the truth. If you can get permission to dig, your in. If not, I will eventually get it myself. At this point i am not in a hurry. Anything can change.
    I dont know if Salvor6 relayed the message to you but my contact is out of town. I will not be able to seek permission until September. Keep in mind that I will have to convince her and the Indians so the more I know the better. You can email me anytime with any questions or if you dont want to talk online. I do NOT want to know the location at this time.

    In the meantime you are welcome on my thread or you could start your own thread as you mentioned earlier. I am only asking questions to gather information. If you do no longer want to discuss it, its your option. Thanks for what you have shared so far.

    I am not aware of an "electronic" device than can differentiate between gold and silver underground but I am always willing to learn. It sounds as if they were not exactly truthful but that doesnt mean the treasure doesnt exist. I hope anything I said hasnt offended you.
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Jun 04, 2012 at 11:41 PM.

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    I think they have electronic testers now used by pawn shops. I am not familiar with them and Im not sure at what distance they work. This could use more discussion for sure.

    Is this something that can be incorporated in a metal detector? http://goldentouchtester.com/
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    You haven't offended me. I have no plans to start a thread about this. I really don't have any more info to share at this time. There was something I learned that had happened in the distant past at the EXACT spot on the ground where Ovid said the gold is buried. I don't mean in the same area, I mean that if I were to stand at a specific spot, it is the same place. If I brought this up it could reveal this location.

    As far as the two guys and their detector, I do not want to go into detail at this time. Whether it worked or not will remain to be seen. I am basing my belief in the gold on Ovid. Everything else just helps strengthen my belief.

    As far as waiting till September, time has a way of flying. I am very involved in other ventures and adventures. There are some easier to deal with locations that I plan to go after before I get concerned about the "Swamp Gold".

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    Since I started this thread in 2005, the legend has taken off with 645 replies and its now all over the internet. Thinking about the colorful characters involved will make for an interesting video.
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Jun 05, 2012 at 09:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    Thanks for sharing the story. Do you know the source? Who told you? Ovid?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdogdad View Post
    I should not have said I did not care about the details of how the gold got there. Its just that I don't have the time or interest to do a lot of the research that is already being done by others. Treasures could be found and have no trace of who put them there. I have a very interesting first hand story concerning this treasure that I am just not ready to share. Ovid was 84 in 1984. I did see the post about the 1000 feet from alligator alley. The truth is if my old buddy Ovid could locate the gold so can others. It is right out in the open and very deep. No one is going to dig it up without permission. The indians could if they want to. They may already know where it is. I have stood over the top of it.

    The story that I was told at the time was that this was a gold shipment being sent to England as an up front payment for arnament. The confederates had no factories to produce cannons and had to buy them from the British who wanted to be payed up front. As the soldiers tried to cross the Everglades they got to a point and decided they could go no further. They buried the gold and turned around and headed back west. The gold was not recovered. Thats all I know and need to know. The most important thing to me is the EXACT spot it is now and how to get permission to dig it up.
    During the early days of the war,when munition purchases were made,the SOUTH still had many open ports-so why would gold be transported through the Everglades?
    In 1861,the CONFEDERATE YREASURY had $20,000,000.00 in gold and silver assets-$15,000,000 from selling specie loan bonds to investment houses and speculators,gold loan negoitinated from London and Paris,6,000,000 gold and silver coins seized from Federal custom houses, gold and silver coins turned over by Southern banks,and jewelry donated by Southern ladies for the cause,for a total of $22,000,000.
    Most of the treasury was spent on warships-CSA ALABAMA,CSA FLORIDA,CSA SHENANDOAH,guns,gunpowder,and other munitions.
    Yes,the CSA did business with England,but also with France,The Netherlands,and Germany,all demanded payment in gold and silver.
    When CSA President,Jefferson Davis and his party were captured,May 1865,the Union recovered $85,000 in gold,$36,000 in silver bullion,$35,000 in silver coins,and $700,000 in Confederate bills.Another $35,000 in gold and silver were captured at Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation at Archer.Davis stated that this was all the remaining funds of the Confederate Treasury.
    Now a private blockade runner could make a small fortune on a run of cotton to England or France.A ship with 800 bales of cotton would bring in $420,000 -and the blockade runners were paid in only gold or silver coin and bullion,which were used for cattle purchases,etc.The blockade runners were,after all,profiteers.
    Now,why would anyone bury gold in the Everglades 1000 ft deep and how in the 1860's.
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    ECS--That's quite a load of "FACTS" you got there. I am not sure what it has to do with the "Swamp Gold". I hope when you were gathering these "FACTS" you did a better job of reading then you did when you read my post. Where in the heck does it say anything was buried 1000 feet deep? In actuality I will add to my post that it is 1000 North of I-75/Alligator Alley. As far as why they tried to cut across the Everglades, maybe they thought it would be a shortcut, or maybe their GPS was broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECS View Post
    During the early days of the war,when munition purchases were made,the SOUTH still had many open ports-so why would gold be transported through the Everglades?
    In 1861,the CONFEDERATE YREASURY had $20,000,000.00 in gold and silver assets-$15,000,000 from selling specie loan bonds to investment houses and speculators,gold loan negoitinated from London and Paris,6,000,000 gold and silver coins seized from Federal custom houses, gold and silver coins turned over by Southern banks,and jewelry donated by Southern ladies for the cause,for a total of $22,000,000.
    Most of the treasury was spent on warships-CSA ALABAMA,CSA FLORIDA,CSA SHENANDOAH,guns,gunpowder,and other munitions.
    Yes,the CSA did business with England,but also with France,The Netherlands,and Germany,all demanded payment in gold and silver.
    When CSA President,Jefferson Davis and his party were captured,May 1865,the Union recovered $85,000 in gold,$36,000 in silver bullion,$35,000 in silver coins,and $700,000 in Confederate bills.Another $35,000 in gold and silver were captured at Yulee's Cottonwood Plantation at Archer.Davis stated that this was all the remaining funds of the Confederate Treasury.
    Now a private blockade runner could make a small fortune on a run of cotton to England or France.A ship with 800 bales of cotton would bring in $420,000 -and the blockade runners were paid in only gold or silver coin and bullion,which were used for cattle purchases,etc.The blockade runners were,after all,profiteers.
    Now,why would anyone bury gold in the Everglades 1000 ft deep and how in the 1860's.
    ECS has been the most helpful researcher on this entire thread and has posted good work and raised a lot good questions. I am open to discussing unorthodox methods such as dowsing but this is not simply a dowsing thread. Because if this was simply a dowsing thread, Im afraid it would be moved by the moderator to its proper place and I do not want to see this thread moved. This is a research thread created for the purpose of research.

    The gold is not 1000 feet deep. Several sources place it about 1000 feet from the highway which is very convenient BTW. I dont think the depth has been determined. At this point we do not know what kind of electronic equipment was used, if any, and at what depth. I have another thread in the tech forum trying to discover if a metal detector could differentiate between gold and aluminum or brass and the word I am getting back is it does not exist even today. But this is only a minor setback.

    I think the story about crossing the Everglades to trade with England or Europe is probably made up. Its not in any of the old treasure books or newsclippings. I agree with ECS, it doesnt make sense but I am not ruling it out and I am open to any and all thoughts opinions and suggestions and I hope the research will continue.
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Jun 05, 2012 at 08:31 PM.

 

 
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