JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[buscar]

The following information came from the records found at the Fort Whipple Veteran Hospital, Prescott, Arizona…

Harry Leslie France: born Jan. 11, 1921

Died: Jan. 26, 1974

Social Security Number: 295-12-6698. State where number was issued: Ohio (before 1951).

Branch of Service: UNK

EOD = May 5, 1941

RAD = Jun 22, 1945

Service Number: 150-19-074

Disabilities: F. B. 2nd to TB.

Duodenal Ulcer = Service Connected

Malaria = Not Service Connected

Harry’s (home) address: Box 785 Grand Ave, Glendale, Arizona.

After sharing this information with Tracy L Hawkins, he said that it had to be the same Harry France, because Harry lived in Glendale. And, when Harry got sick, they packed him out of the mountains to First Water and then drove him to the Fort Whipple Veteran Hospital in Prescott where he died 10 days later.

Tracy also said that the date 1964 or 65 found in Bob Ward’s book “Ripples of Lost Echoes” did not appear correct but the rest of the story was close.

There's gold in them thar stories and that's where most of it is

buscar

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[cactusjumper]

Buscar,

"...I do not know Joe’s intentions for telling the story the way he did..."

Welcome to TNet. Good to see you posting here.

My intentions for telling that fictional story, were simple. I was trying to illustrate how easy if is to create a treasure story that is based on history, geography and local legends. I made it a point to keep repeating that it was "just a story".

As for Harry, I have only seen two documents that support a Harry La France existing in Arizona. One is a 1930 Census, and the other is the death certificate you have posted, which uses his legal name, I presume. The 1930 Census uses Harry La France. That is also on the signature that appears on the back of a topographic map that my Uncle Chuck had. I have that map now.

Ted DeGrazia had contact with the La France family. He signed one of his book to them. I have that book. The Harry La France that shows up in the 1930 Census was living in a hotel in Tucson......DeGrazia's home town.

No doubt it's just a coincidence, but it certainly makes for some interesting speculation.

When you tie in the Stone Maps, and the fact that Harry's path took him right through the trail maps, it starts to get even more interesting. Probably just another coincidence. Web's of strange coincidences are what create's legends and many fables.

Using my version of the trail maps overlaid on a topographic map, I wonder if your boulder picture shows up anywhere.

Take care,

Joe

[Springfield]

Springfield,

Mike is correct that there are a number of cave of gold bars stories.

Here is one of the best, most informative, threads on the subject of Harry's cave:

http://www.thelostdutchmangoldmine.c....php?f=1&t=187 ....

Thanks Joe. I've seen that thread before.

[Casca]

This is what Im talking about. I had to post to get this one on my radar. I have a lot Im reading right now. wow.

[gollum]

Springfield,

The book with the best assortment of Gold Bar Cave Stories I suggest reading Bob Ward's Book "Ripples of Lost Echoes"

Best-Mike

[Springfield]

Springfield,

The book with the best assortment of Gold Bar Cave Stories I suggest reading Bob Ward's Book "Ripples of Lost Echoes"

Best-Mike

Thank you Mike.

[desertmoons]

I've a somewhat esoteric question. It is commonly thought the Jesuit referred to the Natives as children. I wonder if this reference applied to non Christianized natives only. Lets say they had successfully converted a tribe or nation, would they still refer to those folks as the children..or would they somehow be considered all grown up. Thanks for any thoughts on this fine point of interpretation .

[cactusjumper]

Casca,

What does the dog head on the left side of the picture mean? I am also wondering if the man with the knife, as if getting ready to stab someone, on the right side of the picture (towards the top) has some meaning.

Thanks,

Joe

[Casca]

Hi Joe,

I love this particular rock. I dont get on here much anymore. I do enjoy you guys and the info. I cant always follow it.

I ask myself the same thing, joe. What does it all mean?

The dog. There is several, some you cant see in this picture. He appears to be part of a set of symbols. There is at least two sets of dogs down below leading up to this rock.

I believe the dog(or horse) may be a reference to a constellation. This could be used as a map or a measurement. Let me try to post some better pictures of dogs.

The man with the knife is exactly what I see to. This man appears several times on this mountain. He is facing different directions and appears to be a sentinel of some sort. There is little pointer stones associated with the men on the mountain, they all point to known locations. So the guy with the knife could mean the area is watched, or giving a general direction to the next camp. This is a camp site and maybe more.





You may see a dogs head up top of both photos. The knife was used a few times also on the mountain. I think it is a false lead.

I cant say for certain it is Jesuit, but I feel may be of Jesuit design. I do confuse the Jesuits with the Padre's and Franciscans.

I removed the main picture as it was confusing at best. The ones shared here could be seen from a good distance. The lighting was bad for both pictures and not the right angles. My point is I see a heart with a flame on top. There is a dog/horse and dove also above it. The flaming heart may be of Jesuit design. I know what the treasure books say about dogs. But I have not studied the dog enough to say for sure. Only he is important.