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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    I have always had this thought in the back of my mind.
    "Trabuco" brought this gold to the United States as an
    investment.

    To get a higher return on it.

    A lot of the large investments are high risk, high return.
    But, would they have put all their eggs in one basket. Would
    you put all that gold in one hole. I think I would not.
    I also, think


    they may not have. Could this be why we have
    the references four corners, Rather than "a" place in the
    four corners.
    Who knows, just a thought.........Clayton
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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    Looking back at Model Ts glyph, and considering the different aircraft attributed to the story. (Bi-Plane Tri-Motor) take a look at this plane. especially the wing shape and engine configuration.

    Gary
    Do you have a little info. on that plane Gary.
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  3. #618

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Bill, I have now read all of Penfields accounts, it is my own personal belief that his account is nothing more than a reprint of the few facts that were known. I give little credibility to his 4 corners statement, as he only expresses it as his own belief after interviewing the principle players.
    In his accounts he gives several locations, southwestern united states, northwestern new mexico. He does mention the 4 corners area, and he claims that when that location was put to McEachen he replied "thats probably pretty close" he uses terms like "this writer believes" and "we will go along with the northwestern new mexico location"

    Also worth a mention is that although the original book has been reprinted several times since 1954 the first time 4 corners actually appears in print is in the 1981 version.
    Remember in 1981 there was no one left to argue that point, so how much credibility can be attributed ?

    I still am not convinced that the 4 corners area of NM plays any part in this story, as I have said before I could be proven wrong in the next post, but I doubt it.

    Gary

    PS: How about Madame Barcelo? according to penfield "if such a person as Madame Barcelo ever existed a diligent search in New Mexico has failed to reveal it"

    Makes you wonder how diligent his searches were.
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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Clayton, the aircraft is a 1935/6 de Havilland twin engined bi plane. I just thought the wing shape and engine layout was interesting, compared to Model Ts glyph

    Gary
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    pippinwhitepaws

    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    why would anyone hide gold in the middle of the navajo?

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by pippinwhitepaws
    why would anyone hide gold in the middle of the navajo [Rez]?
    If I remember correctly, the Navajo Reservation was not as extensive in the 1930's as it is today. Also, if you want to get into the middle of no-where--that is about as no-where as you can get!
    Allen

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    Bill, I have now read all of Penfields accounts, it is my own personal belief that his account is nothing more than a reprint of the few facts that were known. I give little credibility to his 4 corners statement, as he only expresses it as his own belief after interviewing the principle players.
    In his accounts he gives several locations, southwestern united states, northwestern new mexico. He does mention the 4 corners area, and he claims that when that location was put to McEachen he replied "thats probably pretty close" he uses terms like "this writer believes" and "we will go along with the northwestern new mexico location"

    Also worth a mention is that although the original book has been reprinted several times since 1954 the first time 4 corners actually appears in print is in the 1981 version.
    Remember in 1981 there was no one left to argue that point, so how much credibility can be attributed ?

    I still am not convinced that the 4 corners area of NM plays any part in this story, as I have said before I could be proven wrong in the next post, but I doubt it.

    Gary

    Gary,

    I am convinced it is not in the "4 corners" of New Mexico also. I'm also convinced it's not in Calif.
    Or the little mentioned state of Colorado. But, my only problem is. I can't prove it's not.

    Clayton
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    Sometime's there's only one way.

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by allenroyboy
    Quote Originally Posted by pippinwhitepaws
    why would anyone hide gold in the middle of the navajo [Rez]?
    If I remember correctly, the Navajo Reservation was not as extensive in the 1930's as it is today. Also, if you want to get into the middle of no-where--that is about as no-where as you can get!
    Allen
    Allen, sounds like you've been out there. It's yet in the middle of no-where
    once you get out in there.

    Clayton
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    Sometime's there's only one way.

    Where there is no economy, people will create one.

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    There's quite a bit of information on how the gold was transported to the "first" place
    it was buried.
    But, there seems to be little on how it was transported to Calif. from there.

    In fact, the only person that I have seen mentioned involved with moving the gold
    was a Caretaker or some such person.

    That seems like a big job for just one person. If we are so sure that this gold was moved.
    to Calif. or a differant part of New Mexico, or maybe Colorado. If we know it was moved,
    and have that fact, It would seen there would be some knowledge of what was used to
    move it.

    Clayton


















    Sometime's there's not a right way, or a wrong way.
    Sometime's there's only one way.

    Where there is no economy, people will create one.

    No one rule fit's all

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    pip,

    "navajo is roughly translated into "raiders that farm"...know for traveling long distance just to steal what they could. historic fact...."

    That's an interesting "historic fact". Can you tell us your source, or the language that information is "translated" from?

    I have a number of sources which all state (pretty much) the following:

    [Some anthropologists believe that the Navajo (and the Apache) reached the Southwest during the thirteenth century, but the majority are of the opinion that it was probably a century or two later. At any rate, by about 1600 the Navajo were well established in the Four Corners area, for the most part in what is now New Mexico. The Spanish colonists referred to them as Apaches de NabaJo. The term Nabajo (that is, Navajo) probably came from a Tewa word referring to a valley with cultivated fields. The name that the Navajo themselves use is Dine, meaning "the people." By the time the Spaniards encountered the Navajo and Apache, they were considered two separate peoples.]

    "Native Americans of the Southwest: The Serious Traveler's Introduction to People and Places" Zdenek Salzmann and Joy Salzmann, Authors.

    There is plenty of confusion as to the origin of the name....."Navajo". I will be the first to admit that my own education concerning the Native Americans of the Southwest is woefully inadequate, which makes each new fact a fresh adventure. If you would prefer to keep your source private, I understand.

    Joe Ribaudo


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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadquest
    There's quite a bit of information on how the gold was transported to the "first" place
    it was buried.
    But, there seems to be little on how it was transported to Calif. from there.

    In fact, the only person that I have seen mentioned involved with moving the gold
    was a Caretaker or some such person.

    That seems like a big job for just one person. If we are so sure that this gold was moved.
    to Calif. or a differant part of New Mexico, or maybe Colorado. If we know it was moved,
    and have that fact, It would seen there would be some knowledge of what was used to
    move it.

    Clayton

    Clayton, I do not think you will find evidence of the gold being moved to Colorado, or California. What makes you think those 2 locations might be possible movement locations ?
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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Well, looking at it from a logical point of view. With all the key players
    from Calif. The Hearings being held in Calif.
    And the escrow being set up in Calif.
    If they were going to move the gold from New Mexico. To another location
    I believe it could be assumable, They would move it to Calif.

    I know that south is the accepted direction that a part of the gold is said to
    have been moved in.
    Giving the distance it is thought to have been move. It could have be taken
    across the state line into Colorado.
    I have one piece of information on a cave in Colorado. That I will check out after my
    search is compleated at my project area.

    I guess I'm just hard headed. But, moved or not moved. The part of "Trabucos" gold
    that I am looking for would probably be in New Mexico. And the Four Corners would
    not be an area I would be interested in at this time.

    Clayton
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    Sometime's there's only one way.

    Where there is no economy, people will create one.

    No one rule fit's all

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  13. #628

    Jul 2007
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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Clayton, your logic in the first 5 lines of your post makes sense to me.

    However you should also consider that although all these guys were Californians, and the escrow was set up in California etc etc etc .That the logic becomes a little unlogical when you start to add in the 4 corners area of NM, simply because these guys were supposed to deliver the gold to the Sanfrancisco mint.
    Why do that ? surely there must be closer mints ? or even large cities with government facilities ?

    Gary

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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    The next "close" mint would be the Denver mint, not sure about the distance from where the gold was buried since I don't know where exactly the gold was buried, but the other mint (Carson City) was closed by this time.
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    Re: 17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

    Roy,

    I have only dropped in on this topic occasionally, so I don't really know all of the details that have been discussed.

    "The people approached to sell it were from Ca, the deliveries were aranged for a Ca mint, all the players were from Ca, the pilots were from Ca. They all lived a stones throw apart, at least 4 of them were involved in mining/gold transactions at one time or another."

    I did not notice private mints mentioned anywhere. It seems to me that the mints mentioned, might ask too many questions.

    Am I way out in left field here?

    Thanks,

    Joe

 

 
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