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Re: King Solomon's Mines

Don Jose de la Mancha, without having done any research on the matter :o :o :o :tongue3: wrote:

Frankly I haven't done any research on it, but is it possible that they actually made a trip once every three years, not make around trip of three years? If sooooooo

If so, why bother to wait three years? Why not send them off every year? Every two years? Why not wait four years and have a bigger cargo? Why not five years? The three years figure is repeated <1 Kings 10:22 and 2 Chronicles 9:21> and points out that the ships are going to both Ophir and Tarshish. Tarshish is almost certainly Tartessus in SW Spain, now look at your map of the Mediterranean and notice where Ezion-geber is on the Red Sea, and where Tartessus is in SW Spain (near modern Gadiz) and figure out how long it would take to sail there. You could sail to Tarshish from Ezion-geber or from Joppa, as Job did. How would you get to Tarshish and back to Israel, departing from Ezion-geber?

The obvious answer is to set sail from Ezion-geber and return to Joppa as the most logical (shortest duration and distance) and sure enough, the only place where evidence of Solomon's fleet has been found other than Ezion-geber is at Joppa. To sail East from Ezion-geber, touch at India and then to Spain requires a long voyage no matter how you cut it. The Egyptian voyage around Africa also took almost three years, with Phoenicians doing the sailing, but they stopped and planted crops of grain twice along the way, allowing that grain to mature and harvest it before proceeding. This rather smacks of deliberately prolonging the voyage rather than necessity.

The short trip theory has plenty of supporters, this site presents some of the arguments:
http://bible.cc/1_kings/9-26.htm

The trouble is the arguments don't hold up well. Remember, Solomon was exporting copper and returning with those specified goods - gold, silver, ivory, apes, peacocks and algum wood. It is notable that Amerindians, when first encountered by European explorers (post Columbus and including Columbus) valued copper much higher than gold. Coincidence?

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There was a good program on 'history international' the other night - about a quest for the covenant of the arc.
It certainly mentioned the lemba tribe and also its jewish origin and how, when they left the arabian peninsula - they had brought the arc with them. I believe the 'conclusion' (if you can call it that) was that the arc was infact a drum ?! (hey - it's not _my_ theory - I'm just quoting!)

Well now it has your name on it! :tongue3: ;D (I am kidding) Parfitt was on pretty solid ground until he got to the drum he concluded was the Ark. If he had not made that conclusion, perhaps he might have considered that the drum could be something holy brought from the Temple, just not the Ark. The drum itself is pure African, and one is tempted to theorize about the famous African 'Talking drums' which were really of West African origins and shaped like an hourglass, but it is not farfetched at all that such a drum could have been among Solomon's possessions and dedicated to the Temple. Remember, Moses led the Hebrews out of Egypt which is in Africa after all.

The Lemba "ark"
ngoma-lungundu-Ark-of-the-Covenant-artefact-replica-sacred-relics.jpg


what it would appear like (reconstructed)
african-other-arcs-ngoma-lungundu-The-Lemba-people-black-jewish-tribe-Zimbabwe.jpg


The Ark of the Covenant
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Interesting to research though!
Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
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(SMIRKING) Saw the SAME show... NOT convinced. Look at the original purpose of the ARK OF COVENANT; It was to be a "place" (portable) where the SPIRIT of FATHER/CREATOR could reside... a DRUM? LOL! Probably a "legend" which stated something like the VOICE of GOD... BOOMED out of it, to the ppl. BOOM! Does sound like a drum, doesn't it. It was ALSO "electrified" to SHOCK/KILL ppl who touched it. Sounds like a electro-magnetic generator or something... MAYBE a alien radio receiver... DUNNO. (WINK)
 

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I have read many accounts from South America that fit the Ophir Mines description. Mainly in the mountains near Jaciara Brazil NW of São Paulo. Shipwrecks carrying Amorphae were found offshore along the trade route from the Med. Only one opinion.
 

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"RIO ARTIFACTS MAY INDICATE ROMAN VISIT
By WALTER SULLIVAN
Published: October 10, 1982

Artifacts found in a bay near Rio de Janeiro may mark the wreck of a Roman ship that could have reached Brazil 17 centuries before Portuguese adventurers discovered the region, according to a leading underwater archeologist.

A large accumulation of amphoras, or tall jars, of the type carried by Roman ships in the second century B.C., has been found in Guanabara Bay, 15 miles from Rio de Janiero, according to the archeologist, Robert Marx, who is a well-known hunter of sunken treasure.

The Portuguese navigator Pedro Alvares Cabral is generally credited as having been the first European to reach Brazil, in the year 1500. Mr. Marx said yesterday that the Portuguese authorities were trying to block Brazil from issuing him a permit to excavate the wreck he thinks is buried there. Like the 5-Gallon Jerry Can

Amphoras are tall jars tapering to the bottom and usually fitted with twin handles. As described by Mr. Marx, they were to the ancient Greeks, Romans and Phoenicians what the five-gallon jerry can was to mobile units in World War II. They were used to carry wine, oil, water or grain on long voyages.

Mr. Marx, the author of many books and articles on early exploration and underwater archaeology, believes the amphoras were carried to Brazil on a Roman ship that was blown off course. It may have anchored off Rio, then been driven by a storm onto the reef near where the amphoras now lie.

To reach the harbor, he said, it had to be navigated and therefore could not have been an unmanned derelict. 'As Reliable as They Come'

According to Dr. Harold E. Edgerton of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, a pioneer in underwater photography who has worked extensively with Mr. Marx, the amphoras are definitive, both as to the age in which they were used and the identify of the users. Reached by telephone, Dr. Edgerton said of Mr. Marx's qualifications, ''For my money he is as reliable as they come.''

Mr. Marx, interviewed by telephone at his hotel in Rio, said he suspected a hoax when he first heard of the amphoras, but was convinced a few days ago when he dived at the site and saw an area comparable to three tennis courts strewn with jars, most of them broken. He brought some to the surface and plans to have their age and origin authenticated by specialists."
 

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*chuckles* What has that got to do with King Solomon mines? ;-)
And to answer your question - Scotland!! To be more exact, south Scotland on the border to England - which is why they are called 'border' collies.
I would never have any other dog than a border collie - they are the most intelligent of all our 4-leg friends. Their 'slogan' is: "brain, not brawn"
MY daughter once took our border collie to an avalanche-dog course where virtually all the others were german shepherds (alsatians). They got to smell a sock which was then dragged in a zig-zag course and then deposited for the dogs to find. Our Bess (that was her name) was intently watching the person with the sock while the alsatians were all playing with each other. The alsatians were clever enough, following the zigzag trail and returning (eventually) with the sock. When the turn came to Bess - she just headed straight for where she had last seen the guy with the sock and picked it up straightaway! My daughter was then told to cover Bess' eyes so she wouldn't see where the sock was taken - but my daughter said she could see her ears 'vibrating' and when released - she again headed straight for the sock! Then my daughter had cover both her eyes and ears, and this time she just followed the scent - like all the other dogs ... man, I was so proud of her!

Another time we were on an afternoon walk in the woods behind our house, and scared up 3 or 4 does which set off at a run - with Bess behind, intent to herd them together. They crossed the path about 15 yds ahead of us and I shouted SIT!! Her butt hit the ground straightaway like she had hit a wall! - inspite of the adrenalin pumping through her veins. Truly, a remarkable dog!
 

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You called my bluff, but made up for it with the story of Lovely Bess. Ours' was called Clementine Clemie for short

Do you think that we could train human females , such as Judy, to be as responsive ????

Where's the wine for Loke, mi compadre, and myself ??
 

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You called my bluff, but made up for it with the story of Lovely Bess. Ours' was called Clementine Clemie for short

Do you think that we could train human females , such as Judy, to be as responsive ????

Where's the wine for Loke, mi compadre, and myself ??
I doubt that very much! I must confess to being completely at a loss when it comes to the way the brain works in the fairer gender (I guess s-e-x is a no-no word).
As for 'trainability', I would forget it - I'd rather go to the cupboard myself ... saves a lot of arguments :BangHead:

I do have a nice bottle of Shiraz which I am about to open - care for a glass?
 

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I doubt that very much! I must confess to being completely at a loss when it comes to the way the brain works in the fairer gender (I guess s-e-x is a no-no word).
As for 'trainability', I would forget it - I'd rather go to the cupboard myself ... saves a lot of arguments :BangHead:

I do have a nice bottle of Shiraz which I am about to open - care for a glass?

LOL! ANYWAY... the COPPER SCROLL is of interest; written is "code" and EVERYTHING located in the MID-EAST; BAH HUMBUG!
 

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oroblanco the location of the solomon diamond mines is located in africa this was said by my grandfather a psychic in nature with the help of a oracle angel name khalifa it is located in the southeast africa
 

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oroblanco the location of the solomon diamond mines is located in africa

If that were the case, why would they have had any need of three YEARS sailing time to get there and return? Or for that matter, why bother with ships at all, when the trip could have been made overland, and possibly in shorter time? Plus, where are DIAMONDS mentioned as any part of king Solomon's treasures that he obtained from Ophir and Tarshish? Are they mentioned at all? What evidence has been found in Africa where diamonds are found, of any Hebrew visitors? Thanks in advance.

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Typical Border Collie performance Loke.:laughing7: The only doggie that I have ever found that had thier intelligence was my sross between a Alsatian and s short haired , golden Lab. She knew over 50 commands in both English, spanish, and hand signals. My Pooper, sigh, she spoiled me for doggies, we cummuniicated and she thought rationally, Same as the Border Collies.
 

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