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  1. #61

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    Don Jose and Crosse, thanks for the comments, nothing new to report, haven't been able to do any exploring due to weather and me and my sons work schedule conflicting. Still doing research though and all I can find is that dang vague legend, wish i could find the source of the legend though, anyway, back to the grind and hopefully will be able to go looking this weekend.

  2. #62
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    This is one of my favorite topics. JJ and his brother were pretty smart, daring and elusive in that era. I like to think that there are still some unrecovered JJ caches to this day, I also wonder how many "big" robberies or thefts were done by JJ that were never reported or documented...To me, I think his train and bank robberies were just for sh$ts and giggles and that the proceeds from those robberies would not amount to enough for him to leave caches/markers. He wasn't living for the moment, he was starting the groundwork to prop something up. He had ties to the KGC, was he stealing from them? lol....I don't know, he was a pretty smart dude, hopefully some day, we will find out what he was really up to!

  3. #63

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    Nah, JJ & gangs were KGC stealing from OAK...
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  4. #64
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    How likely is it that JJ / KGC related treasures might be in North East Texas near what used to be Kentucky Town? That list of robberies / hauls doesn't have anything Texas listed on it, but from what I'm learning, Kentucky Town was very significant. If not that outpost, what about in the general area such as North toward Oklahoma?
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  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by VernonWalter View Post
    How likely is it that JJ / KGC related treasures might be in North East Texas near what used to be Kentucky Town? That list of robberies / hauls doesn't have anything Texas listed on it, but from what I'm learning, Kentucky Town was very significant. If not that outpost, what about in the general area such as North toward Oklahoma?
    MANY HOOT OWL Trail trees in that area...
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  6. #66
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    VernonWalter, I don't remember exactly where I saw it but I think if you Google kgc Sulphur Springs Texas you'll find a little interesting reading about a Dr. and the local members. Maybe Hopkins county instead of S.S. like I said I don't remember exactly.
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  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    Hi Alberta clipper,

    Yeah, seems they rode pretty hard, maybe were driven with insight.
    Might have been they were very methodical, oops, until Northfield.
    Maybe even Jesse may have been set up. They certainly had their
    good and bad days. But finding out what all they did, would be like
    luckily finding out some well kept secrets, that they took with them...

    A small few thousand dollar cache too small to mark?
    Not when it's possibly key to travelin' monies later on.
    You could buy a lot for a dollar back then. They likely
    also used what they needed, left some near trading places,
    and gave some to help those who helped them out, when
    they were out, moving about and doing what they did.

    I think Jesse took great pleasure in his art work, rock
    and tree carvings, with WHO ever else may have
    helped him, he was a spiritually minded man,
    and undoubtedly considered himself to be
    doing the right thing, as he was known to
    have said "My Father In Heaven" at least
    once. He believed he was directed, and
    apparently was committed when a decision
    was made... I too, like everyone, hope that Frank
    or whoever, didn't recover everything that they planted.
    That one day some one will uncover some new hard evidence.

    That would really be too cool.
    Thanks for your comments,
    THAT tree is a MESSAGE TREE! I agree that JJ & Gangs PROBABLY "planted" Road-side Money-Banks (Mason Jars, filled with Gold/Silver coins, worth a Dollar EACH) to pay for items needed... or help "the POOR". Any "large" loot was PROBABLY deposited by others for KGC/BLF "use".
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  8. #68
    us
    Apr 2014
    Tejas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    MANY HOOT OWL Trail trees in that area...
    Yes, finally getting the hang of spotting them! Many, many traditional trails in the area. So far, having good luck spotting them near creeks and such, places that have been in use / traveled for at least a couple hundred years, most of which have been still protected from development within the last 100. Very nice to be able to pick up on them even sometimes within city areas - found one that is a huge oak with what looks like an "eye" type of knot in it, also a piece of metal stuck in the ground by the roots. Interesting stuff, will be sure to keep looking and especially up in the areas where they were known to travel.

  9. #69
    us
    Sep 2012
    Nebraska City, Nebraska
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC View Post
    THAT tree is a MESSAGE TREE! I agree that JJ & Gangs PROBABLY "planted" Road-side Money-Banks (Mason Jars, filled with Gold/Silver coins, worth a Dollar EACH) to pay for items needed... or help "the POOR". Any "large" loot was PROBABLY deposited by others for KGC/BLF "use".
    Now you are talking Rebel...THE BANK OF THE BLF .......Was it S.F. Nuckolls and John P. Boulware's Branch at the Platte Valley?...or was it at Brother Enyart's Farmers Bank? or Perhaps another man from Kentucky that took up banking in Nebraska City made the deposits into the coffer and laundered the cash....

    L.C.

  10. #70
    ec
    May 2013
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    Crosse De Sign, have you searched on the reservation for any of this stashes…….
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  11. #71
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    The Money Pit must be the Titanic of empty holes and empty wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    My thoughts on the Jesse James treasure legends: A lot of very smart people have researched this subject tirelessly, for several decades... Maybe there were some treasure sites existing at one time... Possibly Frank missed retrieving more of them... It seems that a lot of well qualified people have searched long and hard, and did well to figure out and decode a lot of the info they had. They reported to have found some items, but not all that they had expected to, plus their 15 min. fame. I'm sure they had a good time....... If there's anything left laying out there in the ground undiscovered, it has yet to be known... Who knows what may, or may not have been found years ago, by Frank James, or whoever, that will never be discussed?... ~: CDS :~
    yes and after all those years how many would still be sitting in the ground? They had friends, they had family, they had people who knew of their exploits. Then you have the THer and cache hunters over many decades now. I place it at low probability now, and yes, I read that book on the so-called KGC connections, and sorry that whole thing just doesn't hold water in my book. But then TH'ers tend to be dreamers, the story gets taller down the line, and heck it sold a lot of copies. And when you think about it, anyone can come up with old photos, and even bury stuff in the ground in mason jars, and then make sure a camera is rolling when they go back to dig it up. It's easy to chum the water for whatever reason people do it. NO I don't believe these tales at all!
    Everybody has an opinion - this is mine. Humor will be part of that opinion. I've found things - some can only dream about. Some was pure luck, some was pure knowledge and skill. After 40 years at MD'ing (off and on), I know a few things about finding treasure lost in the ground. As a retired software engineer, I now have unlimited time on my hands. Life really doesn't matter unless you are true to yourself and in your dealings with other people.

  12. #72
    ec
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    And yet there are many treasures to be found, my guess is most are lost to history…….
    Consider banking, what did you do with you money (gold, silver)..for most of recored history, there was not much, even in our days, can you really trust the banks?
    And so people buried things, people die; move away, never to return and things get lost…….
    Treasure legends are certainly something to consider, and yet they also entertain, provide us opportunity to think, evaluate and explore…….
    As for exploration, it provides us a great opportunity to get outside and experience things we would otherwise not, provides us some exercise and even if we find nothing, we still have gained something……..

    Vaya con Dios

  13. #73
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    The Money Pit must be the Titanic of empty holes and empty wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-d View Post
    And yet there are many treasures to be found, my guess is most are lost to history…….
    Consider banking, what did you do with you money (gold, silver)..for most of recored history, there was not much, even in our days, can you really trust the banks?
    And so people buried things, people die; move away, never to return and things get lost…….
    Treasure legends are certainly something to consider, and yet they also entertain, provide us opportunity to think, evaluate and explore…….
    As for exploration, it provides us a great opportunity to get outside and experience things we would otherwise not, provides us some exercise and even if we find nothing, we still have gained something……..

    Vaya con Dios
    I agree. In 1700's and 1800's, banks were too far away for people in country to to ride on horse and use (if they existed in those areas at all). so it's far more likely to find a buried cache that some old person had buried and then never retrieved due to illness and death. Heck my mother-in-law had $5000 in cash in a pressure cooker in a shed down there in Texas that she forgot all about when senility set in and she was placed in a nursing home. She didn't trust banks and this was in the last 10 years. She was born in 1920's and from that Era. So people are still caching money in strange places etc. But these out of the world pie-in-the-sky tales - they are just that tall tales. IMO
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    Everybody has an opinion - this is mine. Humor will be part of that opinion. I've found things - some can only dream about. Some was pure luck, some was pure knowledge and skill. After 40 years at MD'ing (off and on), I know a few things about finding treasure lost in the ground. As a retired software engineer, I now have unlimited time on my hands. Life really doesn't matter unless you are true to yourself and in your dealings with other people.

  14. #74
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    The Money Pit must be the Titanic of empty holes and empty wallets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosse De Sign View Post
    Perhaps no taller a tale, than going down to the beach,
    thinking to possibly find something, at all. Much less early
    or late 18th C. Spanish Reales. You believe, because you have
    found and seen coins. We believe what we have seen. But really,
    I'm glad that most people don't want to go where those outlaws rode,
    enough people in them parts of the woods as it is. No way or desire to
    prove anything, but some good pics for the fun of looking and talking about
    it, comparing and learning from each other. Not a TV documentary, or anyone
    trying to get sponsors...

    Many people have lots of words and opinions, just not much to share. It's OK.
    That's what we are doing, sharing, trading stories, enjoying, and it's free, even
    complete with critics and all. Speaking of stories, got any reale good ones to tell?
    Thanks in advance...
    Well, the old coins I found have all been in the dirt not at the ocean, on very old properties.
    Where I live has the history and people who lived in colonial times to lose such finds.
    Opinions are just that and what you choose to believe doesn't matter to me. Really I have
    ZERO to prove to you.

    I am a cache hunter too. I've dug some nice dry empty holes and know all about
    what is entailed in finding these things. In fact, if you look through my posts,
    you'll see me sitting in a 5 foot hole that I dug myself by hand. Does that make
    me an expert on digging holes or caches? Nope, but it shows that I have indeed dug some
    deep holes.

    No, I haven't found any Reales in a long time since those two honey hole properties,
    where they were found. Those have been pounded by quite a few people along with myself.
    They don't come along that often. In fact, I've only seen two such places in my 30
    years of MD'ing. But I'd like to hear about your cache exploits - I'm all ears.

    Oh and I'm a paid member, so it's not free for me but that is my choice.

    lastly, I can admit that my opinion could be wrong. I wonder if you can do the
    same? Again, in my opinion, based on lots of reading, a fair amount of hunting,
    logic and reason, and the brains I was blessed with - i do not buy many of these
    pie-in-the-sky stories at all. They don't flush, hold any water nor compute as
    far as I can see. So more large, fabled caches for you guys! *s*
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    Everybody has an opinion - this is mine. Humor will be part of that opinion. I've found things - some can only dream about. Some was pure luck, some was pure knowledge and skill. After 40 years at MD'ing (off and on), I know a few things about finding treasure lost in the ground. As a retired software engineer, I now have unlimited time on my hands. Life really doesn't matter unless you are true to yourself and in your dealings with other people.

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    Somebody texted in response to my Craigslist add asking for places to detect and offered to let me hunt there land in the ozarks but I declined for now as I'm in Michigan...
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