Pirates, real and legendary, left their mark on Tampa area...

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Hi ARRC,
I'd be interested in your old account of the row boats , if you may be willing give the source.
Bananas

Document in library archive...
Not a "readily available" read.

20 years ago.

 

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You have witnessed what first hand?
Well you did go beyond on that post
...and I liked that doubtful disclaimer concerning "ALL" legends with "most stem from truths".
Maybe you need to cut back on that "vage".

I have witnessed evidence of burying.

And "ALL" should have been "most" heh

 

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ECS are you waiting for the "magic words" ... "I have proof " ?

I am curious...

Do you take many here as such fools to disclose any real information here ? Proof ?

Because this is what I am thinking you are waiting to hear ...

Are you waiting for someone here to "slip up" and disclose some kind of information ?

Buried things were sought and found throughout this state all through the sixties ... seventies... and eighties...

For 30 years there were a hundred small groups who did nothing but detect islands from here to panama.

This debate kills me for the fact that "common sense" eludes you.

 

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Oh btw...
Read the documentations on the "buried treasure boxes" at Port Royal...

OH that's right... you cant.

Wait I take that back... I think the old whore house chest one is still able to be found in some stories because of the leak...

That information is privileged... and there is a reason for this... as well as most places of "known" finds.

People do not want YOU or anyone else to know these things.

And there are many reasons for this.

These documents and records ARE owned by private individuals that sought these items...

The rest are locked away in some humidity/temperature controlled archive that you nor me will ever see.

The long arm of "control" shall preserve the historic integrity of these "places"...

By keeping these items from the eyes of "treasure seekers" who will decimate this integrity.


When someone buried a sizable cache of valuables...
This gave the individual(S) who "knew" "where" a "bartering chip" that could mean the difference between life and death.
Almost everyone in rural Florida and areas was "on the take"... and could be bought for the right price.
You could in early times "buy your way" into and out of ANYTHING... MOST of the time.
Sometimes this would work...
And sometimes it fell on deaf ears.
But if you had the "goods" on you... you held nothing to barter... and if in wrong position... you would simply be stripped of this.
And depending...
But more than likely... be able to tell no one.

Dead men tell no tale.

 

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Oh and one more thing ECS...
I have noticed...
It seems you wait until the person you are debating with "leaves"/"logs off" of TN before you respond to a post.

Is this so your post is seen as "the last word" ?
The "trump" response that shut the other person up ?
and that it appears to have "won out" in the debate ?

Or is this coincidence ?

OR is it you need a lot of time to pick apart and think about how and what to say in a response ?

 

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Granted, so where did all the information concerning pirates burying treasure in Florida originate?
Stories, tales, legends, and lore, and speculation by the writers of treasure books and magazines.
You are aware that most pirate ships conducted their activities under rules and articles that stated what share each and every crewmen would receive from captured plunder, and it would be portioned out soon after it was seized.
While the captain and first mate received the lion's share, each crewman has his own personal share.
I doubt that an entire crew of a pirate ship would bury their gain at a location they never may return, so the question to consider: If treasure was buried, who did it belong to-the captain, first mate, cannoneer and powder monkey?

I tell you what...
You and I know each other....Right ?
Welp we are together on the TN ship...
And we just got a large amount of wealth...

I assure you... You are not "holding" my share... and neither is anyone else.

And I bet If someone said they would hold yours... heh

 

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This "wealth"/"monies" was your "bartering chip"... in a time of a pinch.
IF you had it on you...
Overboard you go.
OR on the sandbar you stay...

But your money is going elsewhere.

You have nothing... if you have a sack of treasure in these times...

People have this Hollywood misconception of how "we" came to be...

This place was HELL. period.

Smugglers... killers... thieves... and lots a of hot sweltering miserable low lives.
ALL looking for the "grift"...

You had wealth ON YOU... your as good as dead.

 

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I tell you what...
Lets fast forward in history to today...

We all have what we call the "bad section of town"... in every city there is one...

Put on your big silver or flashy gold...

Walk around in that section of town.

See what happens...

AND WE HAVE police... and laws... and witnesses 100 fold today than what was then.

 

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No one in their right mind would dig up a box of valuables...
after spending time looking for it... for purpose of personal gain...
And tell someone or brag about it...

Unless they are just plain stupid.

Everyone knows... loose lips sink ships.

And greed is the motivating factor for both ends of this...ALSO...

Everyone knows if you found something like this... and it is not on YOUR property... chances are you will have it taken from you.

Most of the buried items have been long ago found...

Either then... many years ago... or yesterday... but I believe...

Not all of them have.

Not too long ago the State auctioned off some Spanish gold bars that had been left in a safety deposit box that went unclaimed...

Where did they come from ?

Spanish open an account they forgot about ?

Someone purchase them to own ? and forgot about this double spot purchase ?

No one stepped forward to "claim" ?

Who knows... but we do know... they are Spanish... and they are gold... and VERY valuable.

 

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ECS... I LOVE a good debate.

You fell for it... hook line and sinker :P

Now... OFF to look for that chest :P

 

[ECS]

ECS... I LOVE a good debate...

I also enjoy a good debate that isn't based on a Scaramouch thesis of pretzel logic where cliché and unsubstantial speculation masquerade as fact, that always folds back in upon itself.While your posts resound with sound and fury, with all considered, signify, nothing.

 

[ECS]

Oh and one more thing ECS...
I have noticed...
It seems you wait until the person you are debating with "leaves"/"logs off" of TN before you respond to a post...
Or is this coincidence ?

What is a coincidence, I have observed the same from you!

 

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Hmmm... boy ...

I was just sitting back reading a story about the burying of treasure because they were afraid the ship was gonna sink.
And I thought ... man this would make a good post here...

But nah...
I like it the way it is. :P

Besides would just be hearsay.

Admiralty records hearsay...

but yet hearsay nonetheless.

Sheesh and we all know those are never true. :P

 

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BTW ECS... since we are on the subject of "fiction" or not...

Do you believe that humans are the only "beings" in space ?

Believe in UFO's ?

 

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Don't tell me...
Your a victim of alien "probing" and this is a "touchy" subject. :P

 

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Well hold on there a minute, pilgrim.
When did I ever say that buried treasure does not exist?
What I have stated is that many buried treasure stories are just that or have origins in legend and lore, come from the minds of newspaper editors during the 1890-1930 time period.
In the 1920's a Jacksonville newspaper ran articles about long neck dinosaurs in the St Johns River chasing fisherman. Was this also based on fact? The same with most of the pirate treasure articles during that time period.
Good entertainment, but hardly based on facts.

I love this response / post... heh.

Best one yet.

Anyway... I have something to say about this...

:P....

1890... heh... lol... um... heh...

What would you say if I told you... I could show you...
On documents...
ABOUT AND OF... FLORIDA...

FACTUAL... BASIC... AND IMO... obviously overlooked...
pirate documentation on occupation AND existence AND location thereof...

DATED BEFORE this year... and going back MANY years prior.

And not just one item...

? ? ?

 

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Man it takes you forever to respond/write a comeback. :P

 

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Aww come on back...

I even deleted SOME of the wisecracks...

This is the best thread since the "watch this space" thread...

Come on...

*Psssst*... Ill tell ya where a buried treasure is....

 

[ECS]

...
I even deleted SOME of the wisecracks...

I noticed you deleted the "I knew Mel Fisher" post where you stated at age 16, you were hired as cabin boy.
That was one of your better posts!

 

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...
1890...
What would you say if I told you... I could show you...
On documents...
ABOUT AND OF... FLORIDA...
FACTUAL... BASIC... AND IMO... obviously overlooked...
pirate documentation on occupation AND existence AND location thereof...
DATED BEFORE this year... and going back MANY years prior.
And not just one item...

Seems like you bought several of those 'treasure maps' of which Elizabeth Smith Friedman spoke,"purporting to come down from pirate days".