May 25, 2012, 08:14 AM
Bob, I just ran across another reference to the stage holdup. It's on page 3 of Marc's topic: Looking for treasure legends.
MesaBuddy's version has Yavapai Apaches robbing the calvary payroll and hiding it near Granite Dells.
Jun 17, 2012, 09:00 AM
How much would $70,000 worth of gold coin weigh? Could a single stage coach carry it?
Originally Posted by lastleg
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”-Mark Twain
Jun 17, 2012, 11:27 PM
I think that the amount ($70,000) has actually been questioned. First, there is no proof of any amount of gold on the stage. Second, there is no proof that a stagecoach (with Army Paymaster & gold) was even in the area. Finally, some have stated that gold "amounts" tend to "grow" over the passage of time. Bottom line for the gold weight? Your guess is as good as anyone's.
Originally Posted by sphillips
Jun 18, 2012, 01:34 PM
I believe around 230 pounds.
May 19, 2013, 09:46 AM
I have family history records of my great great grandfather traveling a toll road in 1877 between mineral park and canyon station. He was a Mormon settler with a group traveling from St George to Mesa. Seems it was a common route at that time to get over the Cerbat mountians.
May 31, 2013, 12:54 AM
Welcome to the party, Claytons! Did your GGGrandfather say anything about lost gold or stage robberies in the Cerbat area?
Sep 19, 2013, 05:35 PM
I was born and raised in Kingman and my grandfather helped build this town. I had heard about this story from my father after it was published in the 70's and my grandparents had never heard of it. Shortly after that story was published the mountains in that canyon were covered with people every single weekend. People were digging holes left and right to no avail. That entire area was a very popular place to hunt and target practice far prior to the article coming out and remained so until the mid to late 1980's or early 90's. The metal detecting crowd began to appear in the late 70's and I imagine still sneak in the back door to this day. There are so many bullets and garbage in that area it would take ten lifetimes to dig anything of value up, even if it really existed. I've hunted myself and had fun and was there only a few years ago, going the back way, but as people have stated, it is private property now. as a kid the remains of the original station were very visible but barely intact, along with the old orchard there, now it's completely gone without a trace. If the robbery had happened, the only place for a quick stash would have been in the wash just west of the old station, but given that much time, there's probably at least ten feet of sand that's been added over time. I take my hat off to you guys who really researched this, I did the same quite a few years ago and have pictures of the area. I studied day and night. I've come to the conclusion you have; that there MAY be some truth to it, but good luck finding it.
Sep 19, 2013, 05:45 PM
don't confuse a good story with facts...
though..love to sit and talk about those buried B-17's...
Oct 13, 2013, 11:32 PM
This whole thread has been a fascinating read! So sad to come to page 5 of 5 and there is no more. I hope you researchers who have done so much can do some more! This great story needs some sort of conclusion!
Oct 20, 2013, 10:19 PM
Danged if I can think of one
Gypsy, You are a great resource to members on this forum. We always appreciate your help and input.
Originally Posted by Gypsy Heart
Oct 21, 2013, 10:04 AM
When you are researching 19th Century treasure and lost mine stories in newspapers, keep in mind that there were no wire services. It was common for papers to copy stories from other papers (generally with credit were it was due). A payroll or other stage robbery was big news, so almost any paper in the state would probably have one or more articles about it.
There are many newspaper files available on the Web. The Library of Congress site is a good place to begin.
Good luck to all,
~The Old Bookaroo
2.0: Encyclopedia of Stagecoach Robbery in Arizona by R. Michael Wilson (2003) begins in 1875. What does that say about a robbery that was supposed to have taken place in 1873? Perhaps that date is incorrect. Or "negative" research indicates it didn't happen?
Last edited by Old Bookaroo; Oct 21, 2013 at 10:14 AM.
Oct 21, 2013, 10:45 AM
I have ATVed Canyon Station many times until land was sold to now dead owner. He but up the gates
and would not let anyone enter ever. It was one of the best rides in this area.
Access can still be made through mineral park but it is no longer a through route.
Nov 10, 2013, 12:38 AM
One really good way to bring this story to a conclusion would be to have some access to the station area. It would be nice to be able to explore the station grounds with a metal detector and other stuff. Alas, the station grounds are private property! Another good way to bring this to a conclusion is to get access to the US Army robbery investigation & reports for 1873ish. Until then... no blood... no harm... no foul!
Originally Posted by mswarbrick
MAYBE the northern route was used due to more Indian attack risks
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