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    Cooper's Treasure Show

    Hi All,

    Last night I checked out a new show on Discovery Channel called Cooper's Treasure. This show is based on the observations of an astronaut that were made while he was orbiting the earth in a Mercury space capsule in the 1960's. Here is a link to the website for the show:

    About Cooper?s Treasure | Cooper's Treasure | Discovery

    In last night's show they briefly discussed the idea that a top top secret long range sensor could have been installed in the capsule that could detect large masses of metal from orbit. This is where they lost me. I am not aware of any such technology that exists today that could pull that off today, let alone in the 1960's.

    In my humble opinion such a sensor would need to be passive in the sense it would have to detect changes created by large metal masses in the Earth's magnetic field, or some other aspect of the environment. My reasoning on that is based on the fact that Mercury space capsules were very small and could not have carried a large power source. So no lasers or radar or anything like that would have been achievable, even if that technology existed at that time.

    But hey, I am always open to alternative viewpoints, and would like to discuss what all of you think might have been employed to detect the large metal masses that Gordon Cooper was searching for on his record breaking mission of 122 hours in space. What long range sensors could pull that off, and could they have been used in that mission to try to detect nuclear warheads and technology in the 1960's? Please be prepared to back up any theories you have on this with verifiable sources.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post


    But hey, I am always open to alternative viewpoints, and would like to discuss what all of you think might have been employed to detect the large metal masses that Gordon Cooper was searching for on his record breaking mission of 122 hours in space. What long range sensors could pull that off, and could they have been used in that mission to try to detect nuclear warheads and technology in the 1960's? Please be prepared to back up any theories you have on this with verifiable sources.

    Thanks!
    Possibly an early, "Top Secret" form of LIDAR
    Wickipedia says it first originated in the early 1960's after the invention of the laser.

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    But LIDAR cannot detect things below the surface of the ocean. As well, LIDAR requires a computer to work. Which did not yet exist at the time that were sophisticated or powerful enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post
    But LIDAR cannot detect things below the surface of the ocean. As well, LIDAR requires a computer to work. Which did not yet exist at the time that were sophisticated or powerful enough.
    This came from a reputable site;


    Now retired in Nassau Bay, Texas, Underwood recalled the camera was a
    35-mm Questar with a Zeiss 'Contarex' lens. That is a "cataoptic system"
    (folded optics), with a foot-long barrel giving "several thousand" mm's of focal
    length (Cooper recalls it was 1250mm). Mounted on the spacecraft window,
    it was shot at 1/50th of a second at various ground targets passing directly
    below the spacecraft.

    http://www.jamesoberg.com/area_51_go...ted_camera.pdf

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    This leads me to believe, if indeed his story is not fabricated and a camera was used, that he was able to identify large ocean reefs. Areas where shipwrecks could occur and he filled in the dots with more research.

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    The camera was to take photos to help find nuclear missile facilities. And while it could probably see reefs, it would have captured photos of literally thousands of such reefs without any way of indicating which of those reefs might have sunken ships nearby. The show talked about a long range sensor that could detect large masses of metal that was placed where the periscope once was in the capsule. And that sensor was what Cooper based his finding on regarding sunken ships. I am trying to figure out what that long range sensor might have been, given the limitations of technology at the time. The only thing I have come up with so far is maybe it was a magnetometer of some kind. But that wouldn't be able to pinpoint exact locations as was suggested in the show. I am not aware of any technology that can detect large masses of metal from orbit, even today. And especially not under the surface of the ocean on the sea floor.

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    Think about it: if such technology existed, the US government could simply use it to locate sunken ships all over the world and them recover all the valuable metals itself. That would be a huge amount of money for our government. Since they are not doing so, it casts serious doubt on the idea that such long range sensing technology exists at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMatt View Post
    Think about it: if such technology existed, the US government could simply use it to locate sunken ships all over the world and them recover all the valuable metals itself. That would be a huge amount of money for our government. Since they are not doing so, it casts serious doubt on the idea that such long range sensing technology exists at all.
    So true. Why should they spend money finding treasure? All they have to do is sit around and wait for some poor smuck to find some then hit em with some convoluted law and take the stuff. No money or effort spent for some ill gotten gain. Better then a pirate or outlaw.
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    But if they had scanning sensors that could detect lost treasure on the ocean floor, the US government could just use military hardware to retrieve it. They wouldn't need to wait on anyone to find and recover it. And if it were in really deep water, how would it be detected? I find it very hard to believe such scanning technology exists, and definitely not back in the 1960's. But hey, I would love to be proven wrong!
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    In the last show the ship they found was made of metal, and had no treasure. So even if some secret technology had been used to detect large masses of metal under the ocean's surface, how would that technology tell the difference between gold and silver in in a Spanish wreck and the metal hull of a ship from more modern times?

 

 

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