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  1. #1
    pt
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    The facts behind the factoids

    OK LUE hounds, go to work on this

    We don't know the coordinates of the finds, but we do know where the Ring Place headquarters are. Notice the longitude?
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    OK LUE hounds, go to work on this

    Thanks sdcfia. I’ve been doing a bit of research on these since you first posted this vid in another thread and I’ll post what I’ve found when i break for lunch. As far as I know, one of the stones is still “in situ” at a cemetery near Ponil Creek...

    Serna's blog has the best pictures of both stones towards the bottom of the page: MYSTERIOUS STONES OF NORTHERN NEW MEXICO

    Stone #1 on display @ St James Hotel Cimarron, NM (original location somewhere in Valle Vidal area)
    Stone #2 GPS 36.7535, -105.06953 (Seally Canyon/Ponil Park Cemetery)

    - May 2017 news story from Albuquerque gives the best rundown of Serna's Mystery Stones I've come across so far on the web:
    https://www.krqe.com/news/investigat...4612/900289942

    - 1994 L.A. Times newspaper story with U.S. Forestry Service archaeologist Jon Young about Ponil Park. It mentions the 19th century logging camp community as well as the Mystery Stone:
    Ponil Park once was a thriving community with two railroad bridges. Now only a few upright timbers remain of the trestles. The cabins that once housed loggers are collapsing. The town cemetery has a unique carved limestone obelisk with a cross made of four elongated hearts and topped by an eight-pointed sunburst or star. Young said he has not been able to learn its origin.
    The cemetery stone is documented on various travelogue\hiking-blog sites as well as Find-a-Grave .. a poster there mentions a similar pillar at a Cimarron cemetery (I haven't been able to find evidence on the internet for this 3rd stone yet).
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36561593/unknown

    Serna says on his recent blog update he was contacted by someone claiming two more "mystery stones" in a cemetary site 10 miles North of Ponil Park near Vermijo Creek, however these are normal unmarked headstones topped with a cross. He is skeptical about them and from what I've found, they're likely "miner's graves" at Spring Canyon cemetery. There are many unmarked graves of unfortunate coal miners who perished in Colfax County mining accidents.
    Last edited by Ryano; Aug 06, 2018 at 01:29 PM. Reason: updates, finished.
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    :tumbleweeds:

    Where is everyone ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    We don't know the coordinates of the finds, but we do know where the Ring Place headquarters are. Notice the longitude?
    I finally got around to listening to this and the longitude of the ring place is real close to the longitude of 105 deg 12.5’ associated with the LUE legend. The stones remind me of Phoenician tophet stones that were placed at burial grounds. I like the inclusion of the Crypto Jews and the old Native American tale was interesting. Kind of reminds me of the Kensington Stone or the Mystery Stones. I’m thinking the stones were probably placed in the late 1800’s or early 1900’s. No reason, just guessing. Anybody else have any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdog View Post
    I finally got around to listening to this and the longitude of the ring place is real close to the longitude of 105 deg 12.5í associated with the LUE legend. The stones remind me of Phoenician tophet stones that were placed at burial grounds. I like the inclusion of the Crypto Jews and the old Native American tale was interesting. Kind of reminds me of the Kensington Stone or the Mystery Stones. Iím thinking the stones were probably placed in the late 1800ís or early 1900ís. No reason, just guessing. Anybody else have any thoughts?
    Yes, that longitude is quite a coincidence isn't it? Since I don't believe in coincidences, I have to wonder if these stones are somehow related to the so-called LUE. I have no idea what the LUE is supposed to be. Despite all the LUE chatter, I'm thinking it's simply a KGC site without a very good cover story.

    Mr. Serna's book shows a small simple "unknown grave" in the cemetery where the Ponil Stone is standing that has a Maltese Cross carved on it. The grave carving reminds me of a very similar carving near the entrance of a "treasure cave" in southern Colorado (San Luis Valley?).

    It's interesting that the property where the stones were found was owned by a mega-millionaire, Lucian Maxwell. Also, the St. James Hotel in nearby Cimarron, where the first stone is displayed, had some interesting guests back in the day, including Jesse James several times. These circumstances fit the KGC too. If so, your dates may be on target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    Yes, that longitude is quite a coincidence isn't it? Since I don't believe in coincidences, I have to wonder if these stones are somehow related to the so-called LUE. I have no idea what the LUE is supposed to be. Despite all the LUE chatter, I'm thinking it's simply a KGC site without a very good cover story.

    Mr. Serna's book shows a small simple "unknown grave" in the cemetery where the Ponil Stone is standing that has a Maltese Cross carved on it. The grave carving reminds me of a very similar carving near the entrance of a "treasure cave" in southern Colorado (San Luis Valley?).

    It's interesting that the property where the stones were found was owned by a mega-millionaire, Lucian Maxwell. Also, the St. James Hotel in nearby Cimarron, where the first stone is displayed, had some interesting guests back in the day, including Jesse James several times. These circumstances fit the KGC too. If so, your dates may be on target.
    This information fits in well with things described in New Mexico Confidential. The obelisks in a graveyard with probable coded symbols, Jesse James and other well known characters, a hangout and a multimillionaire. Just the kind of things to make you smile.
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    It’s unfortunate that the original location of the hotel stone isn’t known. The grave yard obelisk could have information that would take you to that location. Then with a little mapping...who knows.
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    OK LUE hounds, go to work on this

    I agree the stones are no older than late-19th century. They donít seem nearly weathered enough for the medieval-era Templar origins that Serna proposes. The crude workmanship suggests a craftsman working out of their element, or someone simply in a hurry. I suppose JJ isnít notorious for his (stone)masonry

    The Albuquerque TV station did a followup story about 6 months ago to say theyíd been contacted by the McDaniel family to clarify the first stone was not found in the forests of Valle Vidal but further south, close to the McDaniel ranch home. I wonder if Milton McDaniel fibbed about the hunter finding it first as a sort of plausible denial in case any trouble came of where it came from.

    The McDaniel Ranch was part of the historic Urraca/UU Bar Ranch (now owned by cattle magnate Bob Funk) and when the ranch home was sold in 1985, the pillar moved to the St. James Hotel, then the home became a bed and breakfast retreat, minutes away from Urraca Mesa (we're in the heart of LUE territory now, aren't we?). The property has always been known as Casa del Gavilan. I think for experimental purposes it would be safe to place the marker on Urraca Mesa if we're looking for interesting "angles".

    https://casadelgavilan.com/history-of-the-casa

    Iím hoping our resident KGC experts (Rebel, Kace, L.C., franklin, TX-Jay) will chime in and at least comment on the pillar symbols..
    Last edited by Ryano; Aug 10, 2018 at 06:18 PM. Reason: added info about McDaniel Ranch history

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    I believe that Karl Von Muller and his friends found most of the treasures. But, best of luck to those who are seeking it.
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    pt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano View Post
    I agree the stones are no older than late-19th century. They donít seem nearly weathered enough for the medieval-era Templar origins that Serna proposes. The crude workmanship suggests a craftsman working out of their element, or someone simply in a hurry. I suppose JJ isnít notorious for his (stone)masonry

    The Albuquerque TV station did a followup story about 6 months ago to say theyíd been contacted by the McDaniel family to clarify the first stone was not found in the forests of Valle Vidal but further south, close to the McDaniel ranch home. I wonder if Milton McDaniel fibbed about the hunter finding it first as a sort of plausible denial in case any trouble came of where it came from.

    The McDaniel Ranch was part of the historic Urraca/UU Bar Ranch (now owned by cattle magnate Bob Funk) and when the ranch home was sold in 1985, the pillar moved to the St. James Hotel, then the home became a bed and breakfast retreat, minutes away from Urraca Mesa (we're in the heart of LUE territory now, aren't we?). The property has always been known as Casa del Gavilan. I think for experimental purposes it would be safe to place the marker on Urraca Mesa if we're looking for interesting "angles".

    https://casadelgavilan.com/history-of-the-casa

    Iím hoping our resident KGC experts (Rebel, Kace, L.C., franklin) will chime in and at least comment on the pillar symbols..
    Good find, Ryano.
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    Phallus Symbols...
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    There’s a KGC treasure legend at Black Mesa by Espinola
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    Tell us more about this legend.
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    Whereís Roger Snow when you need him? Ryano, the silent majority is reading these posts and then researching the hell out of treasure leads on their own. All of us will post when and if we find anything valuable to the group. Researchers glory is sharing what they find with those who search with boots on the ground. Every thread runs its course and dies out...to be resurrected by new found interest later...I for one appreciate ALL who start new threads. Keeps me up late at night plowing through my research material! This subject on this thread is fertile ground...canít wait to see where it goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honest Samuel View Post
    Tell us more about this legend.
    I can’t find the link, Samuel. I posted it several years ago but I can’t find it now. Sorry.

 

 
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