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  1. #16

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    Now we know Maximilian personal wealth never fled with the Austrian officers in 1867. In 1893 as you can see documents surfaced that ended up in the recovery of Maximilian wealth.

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    2 million 1893 dollars with adjusted inflation to 2018 values the treasure horde was worth 55 million today.

    In 1893 most of Maximilian wealth became property of the Mexican treasury.

    But the winds of fate in history has many twists my friends.

    Kanacki
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    Mexico has a long history of revolution. When dictator Porfirio Diaz took over and by 1911, when revolution happened again. The treasure consisting of 599 gold bars and jewelry from the late Maximilian was shipped from Mexico to New York United States.

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    However there was a collision between the treasure ship Merida and Farragut off the Virginia coast in 1911 in which the Merida sank with her treasure.

    In 1931 there was a claim from a fish monger in London who claimed to the Maximilans son. Strange he waited until after his so called mother the empress, Carlotta to die 1927. He put in a claim on the treasure hunters that were searching for the ship wreck.

    Whatever the results this dubious charter by the mid 1930's was not heard of. However by by 1937 the shipwreck was slowing being salvaged by divers. Newspaper reports in 1938 gave more details on the cargo. Such as 599 gold ingots. Crown Jewels plus 25 tons of silver.

    The Expedition was being funded by the principle insurer Lloyd's of London. What ever was salvaged from the shipwreck was never revealed. where it ended up after that is anybodies guess?

    You can see the only know surviving picture of the Merida below.

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    But the mystery remains after 4 attempts to dive and salvage the Merida no jewels or gold was found.

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    Here is one of numerous newspaper stories of the search and attempted salvage of the Merida.

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    At the time of Merida's loss her total value including the ship and the cargo was estimated to be approximately US$2,000,000. After the sinking many Mexican refugees claimed they carried significant amount of cash and jewelry, obviously undeclared, in their luggage or on their persons.

    Some claimed they deposited their valuables in the ship's safe which went down with the vessel. Rumors of hundreds of thousands of dollars on board the ship soon translated into a belief that the ship's cargo was significantly more valuable that first thought and many more attempts would be made over the years to retrieve the treasure. At some point in 1916, another rumor appeared that Merida carried crown jewels and famous rubies belonging to Empress Carlota being smuggled out of Mexico, which roughly doubled the value of presumed treasure.

    After the inquiry commission refused to put blame on the American Mail Steamship Company, a lessee of Admiral Farragut, owners of Merida filed a libel lawsuit for US$1,800,000 in the New York District Court. Out of this total, US$237,500 was for the silver bars, US$90,000 for mahogany logs and US$25,730 for copper bars.

    The bulk of the claim was for the vessel herself, amounting roughly to US$1,200,000. On March 15, 1912 a decision was rendered by the court ordering American Mail Steamship Company to pay only US$105,000 to the New York & Cuba Mail Steamship Co., citing the limitation of liability.

    For many years afterwards claims and rumors persisted Maximillian's treasure was alleged to be on the ship. The main proper-gator of this was Popular mechanics magazines in the 1920,s newspapers of the day and promoters for the 4 salvage operations.

    So where does it leave us?

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  5. #20
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    Hi Kanacki,

    a new name for you; Slayer of Fables
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    read 'em and weep guys, we're whizzing on our feet
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  6. #21

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    Hello Bill

    As with the rest of the trio, Harkluck and Crow, we always maintain we are not after fame decoding conspiracy theories. or flogging books videos etc... But finding the truth behind these stories for better or for worse.

    And perhaps develop a profitable project if all the key elements are in place.

    cheers Kanacki
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    There's no way to know if somebody has found the treasure I think, because they might not have told if they did. HH
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  8. #23
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    artifacts will out, given time
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    There is also a story in the New York Times in 1911.

    The story tells of the arrest of two Mexicans, Valino Preza and Alejandro Marcecci. Who were arrested by special treasury agent William Theobald.

    The had first approached a well known jeweler in New York claiming that they had Maximilian's Jewels for sale. When he refused to have any thing to do with it they as if he appraise the value of the items.

    He agreed and told them to come back later and he called the police and they were arrested. General George Mindel a government expert on gems is making a report for Collector Bidwell.

    If the stones were part Maximilian's treasure then it is supposed it will create problems with Mexico. And Mexico may lay claim to the Gems.

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    Papers found on Preza have been translated but officials have refused to make public thier contents.

    The Mexicans insisted that they were jewels were from Maximilian's crown. However expert were at a disagreement of the exact origin of the gems.


    As you can see there are many stories relating to the treasures associated with Maximilian.

    Wagons loads of gold and gems fleeing across Mexico to the United States to Safety? Or on a ship that sailed from Mexico but was rammed and suck in collision off the coast of Virginia? looted gems from the time of his execution?

    Which ones are true?

    Kanacki
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  10. #25
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    from a post above
    "The story on how it got to United States was and interesting one. A story of greed racism and outright theft."

    its hard work spreading democracy


    edit2: so what happened to the Mexicans' rocks ?
    the ring looks antique
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    Hello Bill I have posted picture of the gems again.

    In short well known jeweler in New York bought the gems in a fire sale after they was sized as contraband by customs because they was not declared by the Mexicans Valino Preza and Alejandro Marcecci when they crossed over into the United States through Laredo.

    The gems was looted from the body of Maximilian after he was executed by firing squad. The story goes the two Mexican men was acting on behalf of a women descendant of one of the men of the firing Squad. By 1911 the family was desperate for money and tried to sell the gems in the USA.

    Kanacki
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  12. #27

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    It seems after Maximillions execution there was free for all for souvenirs.

    Even his clothes.

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    He was embalmed in coffin and put on display. This was political decision by the new republican government to show supporters of Maximilian was dead. Hence the coffin picture below.

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    You could say it was 1867 spin... and proper gander and a warning message to European powers having designs on Mexico.

    .

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  13. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by KANACKI View Post
    Hello Bill I have posted picture of the gems again.

    In short well known jeweler in New York bought the gems in a fire sale after they was sized as contraband by customs because they was not declared by the Mexicans Valino Preza and Alejandro Marcecci when they crossed over into the United States through Laredo.

    The gems was looted from the body of Maximilian after he was executed by firing squad. The story goes the two Mexican men was acting on behalf of a women descendant of one of the men of the firing Squad. By 1911 the family was desperate for money and tried to sell the gems in the USA.

    Kanacki
    yet another setup facilitated by 'flexible' law and a corrupt state, but which state is any different ?
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    Hello Bill

    Things become a little clearer. This is where Maximilian died. With the following discovery in 1892. Newspaper story Australian Star (Sydney, NSW : 1887 - 1909), Saturday 17 September 1892, page 5

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    600 thousand English pound was approximately 2 million USD 1893 exchange values at the time. Convent of Capuchinas, where Maximilian was imprisoned in Queretaro. This treasure was found in the very spot where Maximilian was captured and killed. I suspect Maximilian was trying to recover that treasure during an attempt to flee the country. But for him it was all too late. And of course cost him his life.

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    Once again the government of the day has the biggest stick...

    Kanacki
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    Hi Kanacki

    the thought occurs to me . . . .
    are these old guys laying low on islands, in the jungle, etc. despots trying to flee their sheep ?
    (we should be so lucky, the islands and jungle would be wildly overpopulated - let them remain in the cities)
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