TALES OF LOST JESUIT MINES

[BuffaloBob]

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[Azquester]

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It was a 650 Thunderbird 1955 titled as a Royal Enfield!

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Damn Hard tail couldn't ride to far but boy it was quick.

 

[Havillah]

So... back to the subject of Jesuits and mining.

Down here in the Aztec Republic, we are taught in grade school that the Jesuits were expelled from Mexico in 1767. In addition, we were taught that the Jesuits (European) would take all the gold/silver/etc. that they could, before they would demolish and disguise the entrances to their mines. Of course, the story also includes the murders of any Mexican and Indian mine workers who would know of the existence of these mines.

During the mining process, the king of Spain would receive a fifth of all proceeds, with the rest going to Rome.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Bien venido Havillah. The Jesuits renigged on the Kings fifth.

 

[Oroblanco]

So... back to the subject of Jesuits and mining.

Down here in the Aztec Republic, we are taught in grade school that the Jesuits were expelled from Mexico in 1767. In addition, we were taught that the Jesuits (European) would take all the gold/silver/etc. that they could, before they would demolish and disguise the entrances to their mines. Of course, the story also includes the murders of any Mexican and Indian mine workers who would know of the existence of these mines.

During the mining process, the king of Spain would receive a fifth of all proceeds, with the rest going to Rome.

Today we have a regular whitewash campaign on the Jesuits, denying they ever had any mines, or treasures, nor slaves, nor enslaved the Indians etc. This campaign has been largely successful, even inducing the US Park Service to remove their excellent displays at Tumacacori on the mining activities. Now our skeptics can point to the many modern historians who deny there was any Jesuit mining activity and demand extreme forms of proof.

 

[Havillah]

Thanks, Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp!

Have any of you read any of the late Charles Kenworthy's books on hidden signs and symbols used by the Spaniards so that their people could spot the mines from several miles away?

Our town is right on the Camino Real de Tierra Adentro (the Royal Inland Road), which is the route the gold and silver took. I am less than three miles from a castle built by Hernán Cortes in 1519, when mother-in-laws were young and beautiful. (See it here: http://www.queretaro.travel/uploads/imagenes/6_36_1305518398_130LlaveExt.jpg) Yes: I would LOVE to metal detect there, but sadly, it is now headquarters for some soldiers.

Check out some of our sites here: Haciendas :: San Juan del Río :: Histórico :: Estado de Querétaro

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hola havillah, yo vivo en Alamos, Sonora. I live in Alamos, Sonora. Queretaro is a beautiful state.

 

[FEMF]

I agree Springfield - rather peculiar that de Niza's story held such interest, and so far away at that.

Another interesting character in this period is the ex-governor of NM Don Diego de Peñalosa. His efforts to induce France to invade and conquer NM (including his tale of having journeyed to Quivira with 80 men) along with La Salle's plan to build a fort in Texas, possibly as a launching base for an overland trek by an army (not many years after Marquette's expedition) get lost in the history. Actually it is a little surprising that more treasure hunters are not interested in New Mexico, but I guess Arizona gets all the publicity.

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Hello Roy
Can you or anyone tell us where Marcos de Niza's grave is located. Thanks again Roy.
Take care & be safe. FEMF

 

[Oroblanco]

Hello Roy
Can you or anyone tell us where Marcos de Niza's grave is located. Thanks again Roy.
Take care & be safe. FEMF

No I sure do not know - anyone have the answer to this one?

 

[somehiker]

Fray Marcos was buried at the Convento Gulande de San Francisco, Mexico City in 1558.
He was 63 yrs old.

 

[AbTexEx]

Thanks, Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp!

Have any of you read any of the late Charles Kenworthy's books on hidden signs and symbols used by the Spaniards so that their people could spot the mines from several miles away?

Our town is right on the Camino Real de Tierra Adentro (the Royal Inland Road), which is the route the gold and silver took. I am less than three miles from a castle built by Hernán Cortes in 1519, when mother-in-laws were young and beautiful. (See it here: http://www.queretaro.travel/uploads/imagenes/6_36_1305518398_130LlaveExt.jpg) Yes: I would LOVE to metal detect there, but sadly, it is now headquarters for some soldiers.

Check out some of our sites here: Haciendas :: San Juan del Río :: Histórico :: Estado de Querétaro

At one time we lived fairly near the north end of El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro.
Where we lived was also near the center of the Pueblo Revolt of 1680.
Cleanse the land of the Spanish ever being there is what Po'Pay had everyone do.
They did a fine job.


I was talking to a young man several years back about hearts carved out of rocks.
He told us that he had seen an area near the Caballo Mts. in New Mexico where the ground
was littered with hundreds of hearts carved from different type rocks.


Maybe dumped there?


We found this on top of a massive rock (100' high x 500' long).

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If you can get to it and look through the hole, you will see a gold mine "Discovered" circa 1900.
Using the information in Charles Kenworthy's books, it's right where it should be.
This one is about 400 miles west of El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro.


We would all enjoy seeing photos of your area.
From what little I have read, the Pueblo Revolt only went as far south as El Paso del Norte.


AJones

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

AJ, I am from Almos, southern Sonora, not much help.

 

[AbTexEx]

AJ, I am from Almos, southern Sonora, not much help.

Quite the contrary. I have learned much from your photos.
One you posted had a word written on it I had to Google.


Huerta


I always thought it was only a surname. Now I know better.
I even found one out in the wilds in one godawful place.
Happens to be the surname of a good friend of mine.
Thanks




AJones

 

[FEMF]

Fray Marcos was buried at the Convento Gulande de San Francisco, Mexico City in 1558.
He was 63 yrs old.

Hello Everyone
Thank you Somehiker.
FEMF

 

[bonuntr]

Hi everyone...
I have been following trails for the past couple of decades, (I haven't became rich yet, but still keep dreaming). My question is: How do I discern weather the monuments, marks, blazes, etc. are Spanish or Jesuit? As I have found certain marks that I am told are Jesuit in nature. Thanks in advance for any help,
Rock

 

[bonuntr]

So....I have a burning question that is driving me crazy.....I have dated a site, (through tree ring counts, lichenology, etc.), that places them before 1660. There is no doubt about this dating,( I don't want to get in to my proofs here as I do not want to derail my question). The sites I speak of are in central Nevada, and along the upper Utah / Nevada stateline. Nuff said about that.
My question....Can anyone tell me of any documents or other that can tell me who were the occupiers of this land from 1600 on? Has anyone else here seen signs that are from this period this far north, and if so, are they Spanish, French, Jesuit, or?
How early were the Spanish or Jesuits this far north? I have seen nothing that can explain these sites on Tnet or anywhere else for that matter.
This is truly driving me crazy!

 

[cactusjumper]

So....I have a burning question that is driving me crazy.....I have dated a site, (through tree ring counts, lichenology, etc.), that places them before 1660. There is no doubt about this dating,( I don't want to get in to my proofs here as I do not want to derail my question). The sites I speak of are in central Nevada, and along the upper Utah / Nevada stateline. Nuff said about that.
My question....Can anyone tell me of any documents or other that can tell me who were the occupiers of this land from 1600 on? Has anyone else here seen signs that are from this period this far north, and if so, are they Spanish, French, Jesuit, or?
How early were the Spanish or Jesuits this far north? I have seen nothing that can explain these sites on Tnet or anywhere else for that matter.
This is truly driving me crazy!

bonuntr,

You should get in touch with Randy Bradford through this site:Aztec Gold

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

Hi everyone...
I have been following trails for the past couple of decades, (I haven't became rich yet, but still keep dreaming). My question is: How do I discern weather the monuments, marks, blazes, etc. are Spanish or Jesuit? As I have found certain marks that I am told are Jesuit in nature. Thanks in advance for any help,
Rock

That is not an easy question. If you found something clearly linked to the Jesuits, like a prominent IHS, that would be easy. Unfortunately the Spanish were using much the same symbolism as the priests, as they were all Catholic.


Bonuntr also wrote

So....I have a burning question that is driving me crazy.....I have dated a site, (through tree ring counts, lichenology, etc.), that places them before 1660. There is no doubt about this dating,( I don't want to get in to my proofs here as I do not want to derail my question). The sites I speak of are in central Nevada, and along the upper Utah / Nevada stateline. Nuff said about that.
My question....Can anyone tell me of any documents or other that can tell me who were the occupiers of this land from 1600 on? Has anyone else here seen signs that are from this period this far north, and if so, are they Spanish, French, Jesuit, or?
How early were the Spanish or Jesuits this far north? I have seen nothing that can explain these sites on Tnet or anywhere else for that matter.
This is truly driving me crazy!

I do not know of any Spanish explorer to have entered any part of Nevada prior to father Garces, which I think was 1770s period, and do not know of any that went into the central part of Nevada. The whole west of the continent was of course under the greedy gaze of Spain, France, Britain and even Russia, with more un-documented expeditions than documented so anything is possible. I don't know of any Jesuit that explored that far north, and certainly not that early in time. I would suggest much more investigation at the site, along with research on any documents. Most of Nevada was very much terra incognita for a very long time, and was believed to have been barren. Keep an open mind and open eyes, the truth will be known eventually as to what you have found. I hope you will keep us posted.

Oroblanco

 

[KXMember]

So....I have a burning question that is driving me crazy.....I have dated a site, (through tree ring counts, lichenology, etc.), that places them before 1660. There is no doubt about this dating,( I don't want to get in to my proofs here as I do not want to derail my question). The sites I speak of are in central Nevada, and along the upper Utah / Nevada stateline. Nuff said about that.
My question....Can anyone tell me of any documents or other that can tell me who were the occupiers of this land from 1600 on? Has anyone else here seen signs that are from this period this far north, and if so, are they Spanish, French, Jesuit, or?
How early were the Spanish or Jesuits this far north? I have seen nothing that can explain these sites on Tnet or anywhere else for that matter.
This is truly driving me crazy!

Late 1400's to early 1500's

 

[Oroblanco]

PS - WHOOPS I forgot another one of the European powers that were eyeing the American west and especially the southwest, the Dutch. They were intriguing with the Jesuits to seize the whole of Spanish America, which the 1767 expulsion of the Jesuits must have pre-empted or it misfired. The Dutch did seize a major island in Chile, but left after some treachery from the natives, and had also conquered large areas of Brazil. Anyway Dutch privateers or pirates were definitely operating off the Pacific coast and must have gone ashore at some places to replenish fresh water, firewood etc. I don't know of any Dutch explorer entering central Nevada, but who knows? So anyway that list should have been Spanish, French, English, DUTCH, and Russians, besides the USA all were looking to grab the western part of N America and especially the southwest for the famous silver mines. Sorry about that oversight!