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    Mar 2004
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    Lost Adams Diggings Ex Post Facto

    I noticed this morning on another thread that someone had thrown some kind words to The Lost Adams Diggings-Myth, Mystery and Madness. I appreciate the kudos, but I think I should add some afterthoughts concerning what I've learned since the book was published.

    Firstly, everything I've learned since has added veracity to the story Nino Cochise told concerning John Brewer and his LDS friends in Mexico.

    Secondly, James Street and everything he said to Dowling stands a lot taller based on historical records than it once did.

    Thirdly, the recurring issue of the 'Supply party' appears today to be a lot stronger than it did at the time the book was published, and the 'Fort Wingate' and 'Mount Ord' parts appear to my own mind to be groundless speculation. The military establishment existed, but there's good reason to believe it was not Fort Wingate.

    Fourthly, everything I believed at the time of publication about James McKenna was 100% wrong. The man told the truth, so far as I've been able to discern, in everything he said. Jason Baxter also, contrary to what I surmised in my book, almost certainly told the truth and was fairly accurate in the various assumptions he made regarding the Adams.

    Fifth, despite my doubts and disparaging remarks concerning the Allen account, today I believe most of what Allen said, as well as his map, the route, most all of it is remarkably accurate.

    Having said all that, I strongly recommend NOBODY search for the Lost Adams Diggings and I'd recommend strongly against buying my book, [despite the fact I don't think there's a better one anywhere concerning the legend] except as a thorough, comprehensive study of the legend and how it came down to us.


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    Re: Lost Adams Diggings Ex Post Facto

    Quote Originally Posted by Highmountain
    I noticed this morning on another thread that someone had thrown some kind words to The Lost Adams Diggings-Myth, Mystery and Madness. I appreciate the kudos, but I think I should add some afterthoughts concerning what I've learned since the book was published.

    Firstly, everything I've learned since has added veracity to the story Nino Cochise told concerning John Brewer and his LDS friends in Mexico. The Nino Cochise book is a must read for LAD afficionados. Puts a different spin on the Apaches' feelings about the possession of gold and seems to locate a pretty good deposit in northern Mexico.

    Secondly, James Street and everything he said to Dowling stands a lot taller based on historical records than it once did. I'll have to review who Street was and what he said. I guess I've slept too many nights since I've thought about the subject.

    Thirdly, the recurring issue of the 'Supply party' appears today to be a lot stronger than it did at the time the book was published, and the 'Fort Wingate' and 'Mount Ord' parts appear to my own mind to be groundless speculation. The military establishment existed, but there's good reason to believe it was not Fort Wingate. I always was more fond of Camp Grant in Arizona myself.

    Fourthly, everything I believed at the time of publication about James McKenna was 100% wrong. The man told the truth, so far as I've been able to discern, in everything he said. Jason Baxter also, contrary to what I surmised in my book, almost certainly told the truth and was fairly accurate in the various assumptions he made regarding the Adams. Uncle Jimmy was a great story-teller, but more importantly, he was a particpant in the stories.

    Fifth, despite my doubts and disparaging remarks concerning the Allen account, today I believe most of what Allen said, as well as his map, the route, most all of it is remarkably accurate. Again, I'll have to reread it to remember which of the myriad of accounts was his.

    Having said all that, I strongly recommend NOBODY search for the Lost Adams Diggings and I'd recommend strongly against buying my book, [despite the fact I don't think there's a better one anywhere concerning the legend] except as a thorough, comprehensive study of the legend and how it came down to us. Gee, should I ask for a refund?


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    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  3. #3

    Mar 2004
    New Mexico
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    Re: Lost Adams Diggings Ex Post Facto

    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    Quote Originally Posted by Highmountain
    I noticed this morning on another thread that someone had thrown some kind words to The Lost Adams Diggings-Myth, Mystery and Madness. I appreciate the kudos, but I think I should add some afterthoughts concerning what I've learned since the book was published.

    Firstly, everything I've learned since has added veracity to the story Nino Cochise told concerning John Brewer and his LDS friends in Mexico. The Nino Cochise book is a must read for LAD afficionados. Puts a different spin on the Apaches' feelings about the possession of gold and seems to locate a pretty good deposit in northern Mexico.

    Secondly, James Street and everything he said to Dowling stands a lot taller based on historical records than it once did. I'll have to review who Street was and what he said. I guess I've slept too many nights since I've thought about the subject.

    Thirdly, the recurring issue of the 'Supply party' appears today to be a lot stronger than it did at the time the book was published, and the 'Fort Wingate' and 'Mount Ord' parts appear to my own mind to be groundless speculation. The military establishment existed, but there's good reason to believe it was not Fort Wingate. I always was more fond of Camp Grant in Arizona myself.

    Fourthly, everything I believed at the time of publication about James McKenna was 100% wrong. The man told the truth, so far as I've been able to discern, in everything he said. Jason Baxter also, contrary to what I surmised in my book, almost certainly told the truth and was fairly accurate in the various assumptions he made regarding the Adams. Uncle Jimmy was a great story-teller, but more importantly, he was a particpant in the stories.

    Fifth, despite my doubts and disparaging remarks concerning the Allen account, today I believe most of what Allen said, as well as his map, the route, most all of it is remarkably accurate. Again, I'll have to reread it to remember which of the myriad of accounts was his.

    Having said all that, I strongly recommend NOBODY search for the Lost Adams Diggings and I'd recommend strongly against buying my book, [despite the fact I don't think there's a better one anywhere concerning the legend] except as a thorough, comprehensive study of the legend and how it came down to us. Gee, should I ask for a refund?


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    Thanks for the reply. Refund? Et caveat emptor. The research was solid and well-grounded in the best information I had available to me at the time of publication. Conjecture was clearly identified as conjecture throughout the book everywhere it was included.

    I plowed a lot of new ground with that tome, brought things together in ways the whole story had never been investigated before. The fact I continued learning after publication and discovered a number of my own errors doesn't take anything away from it in my view. It was the best I could do. But I was also wrong in a number of ways, for which I'm regretful.

    In the unlikely event I ever do a follow-up I'll shoot you a free copy.

    Unless you're just a history buff there's probably no reason to refresh your memory about James Street, though he shows up in Mexico [Nino Cochise] and in the Dowling Account. He ran the store at Ojo Caliente. Interestingly, maybe significantly, his brother was a contract blacksmith and traveled all over NM and AZ doing repairs to military equipment during the same time period.

    Jack

  4. #4

    Mar 2004
    New Mexico
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    Re: Lost Adams Diggings Ex Post Facto

    Ojo Caliente Apache Stronghold, US Army post, Apache Agency

    Victorio, Mangus, Nana and Cuchillo Negro were born here and each waded through the warm springs through the crack it flows through. James Street had his Commissary Store here, ruins still above ground. Geronomo waded through the warm springs as an adult on many occasions. Here's where Nana told James Street the famous story and Street wrote the famous words in the back of his ledger.

    It's private land. Last time I was out there it was ungated and had been for almost a decade. Nobody to ask permission from.

    Jack
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  5. #5

    Dec 2005
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    Re: Lost Adams Diggings Ex Post Facto

    Hard to get a handle on this one. Sno-Ta-Hae is a bit of a stretch. It's not as unlikely as Nino Cochise's story, but I can't imagine anyone using his writings as any kind of authentication for the mines existence. Most of it is pure fiction.....starting with Pa-Gotzin-Kay. Anyone know what that means, or what language it's in?

    All in all, it's still a fun read, assuming you know absolutely nothing about Apache life.

    Joe Ribaudo
    " Hell, I was there!" Elmer Keith
    "There is an ancient proverb that says a man can never forgive you for a wrong he has done you." From a wise friend.

 

 

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