the lost colony

[treasureace14]

this isnt a treasure legend just a legend.i wanted to bring it up.they found the word croatoan carved.then the letters cro carved.
each was carved into a tree or doorstep.
im guessing cro is were somone tried to start carving croatoan and didnt get to finish for some reason.
what are your thoughts?

 

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Re: the lost colony...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,111611.0html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,110886.0html

 

[Oroblanco]

TAG post, please ignore.

 

[treasureace14]

TAG post, please ignore.

whats that susposed to mean?

 

[pegleglooker]

treasureace,
It just means that he wants to keep up with what we post here, kinda like a bookmark. You may also see someone write in the word " bump " kinda like a speed bump for blogs..

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[Oroblanco]

Thank you for explaining - this is a very interesting subject (for me) and I have done some research into it, just have nothing to add for the moment. Thanks again!
Oroblanco

 

[Old Dog]

Please ignore this shameless "Oro" tag

 

[Oroblanco]

ET TU Thom?!?! You know what they say, - "sick minds think alike"!!!

I am curious about the opinions of you Thom and everyone else willing to answer, what do you think is the most likely answer to what happened to the lost Roanoke colony? Can we see the answer in such surnames as "Dial" (a corruption of the name "Dare") etc that they simply intermarried with local people and were absorbed over time? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[Old Dog]

My family still lives in the area where the colony was supposed to have started.
I have not chased this legend but do know several who have.
I have not talked to them lately and have an idea if my posting any of their findings will more than alienate a friendship.
I do know that a book is coming out, it will detail all of their work on the subject.
Till then I thought I would follow everyone Else's thoughts on it.

Personally I don't think the Native Americans so cruel and spiteful to have killed of the colony completely.
I believe that they were so unprepared for what was awaiting a serious small group that they had to rely heavily on the Native population for support as it came from nowhere else.
Eventually I believe they were absorbed into the Native culture and in a generation disappeared into America.

Thom

 

[treasureace14]

My family still lives in the area where the colony was supposed to have started.
I have not chased this legend but do know several who have.
I have not talked to them lately and have an idea if my posting any of their findings will more than alienate a friendship.
I do know that a book is coming out, it will detail all of their work on the subject.
Till then I thought I would follow everyone Else's thoughts on it.

Personally I don't think the Native Americans so cruel and spiteful to have killed of the colony completely.
I believe that they were so unprepared for what was awaiting a serious small group that they had to rely heavily on the Native population for support as it came from nowhere else.
Eventually I believe they were absorbed into the Native culture and in a generation disappeared into America.

Thom

i think ur close (if not right).
that sounds like the most logical thing but what about the letters croatoan?

 

[PBK]

what about the letters croatoan?

As I recall, Croatoan is supposed to have been an old name for Hatteras Island. The theory is that it was carved to let others know the colonists were going to resettle there.

 

[Oroblanco]

Thanks for the replies amigos!

As I recall it, Gov White left the colony bound for England as they were already desperate for supplies (food especially) and no English ships had arrived for quite some time. He had an understanding that if anything happened that might cause the colonists to be forced to leave the island to seek refuge with neighboring friendly Amerindians, they would leave some kind of message behind. Gov White was delayed in England due to the war with Spain and the slight problem of the Spanish Armada so he was delayed oh heck I am going to cheat and do a little "cut and paste" from Wiki:
<begin lazy cut-n-paste job>
Crossing the Atlantic as late in the year as White did was a considerable risk, as evidenced by the claim of pilot Simón Fernández that their vessel barely made it back to England. Plans for a relief fleet were initially delayed by the captains' refusal to sail back during the winter. Then, the coming of the Spanish Armada led to every able ship in England being commandeered to fight, which left White with no seaworthy vessels with which to return to Roanoke. He did manage, however, to hire two smaller vessels deemed unnecessary for the Armada defense and set out for Roanoke in the spring of 1588. This time, White's attempt to return to Roanoke was foiled by human nature and circumstance; the two vessels were small, and their captains greedy. They attempted to capture several vessels on the outward-bound voyage to improve the profitability of their venture, until they were captured themselves and their cargo taken. With nothing left to deliver to the colonists, the ships returned to England.


The discovery of "Croatoan" Because of the continuing war with Spain, White was not able to raise another resupply attempt for two more years. He finally gained passage on a privateering expedition that agreed to stop off at Roanoke on the way back from the Caribbean. White landed on August 18, 1590, on his granddaughter's third birthday, but found the settlement deserted. He organized a search, but his men could not find any trace of the colonists. Some ninety men, seventeen women, and eleven children had disappeared; there was no sign of a struggle or battle of any kind. The only clue was the word "Croatoan" carved into a post of the fort and "Cro" carved into a nearby tree. In addition, there were two skeletons buried. All the houses and fortifications were dismantled. Before the colony disappeared, White established that if anything happened to them they would carve a maltese cross on a tree near their location indicating that their disappearance could have been forced. <End cut-n-paste job>

My apologies for such laziness on my part, but I didn't want to rely on memory alone and I cannot get at my own books just yet. Anyway the period of time in which Gov White was absent was nearly three YEARS. A lot can happen in three years time, and we know that the Spanish and French fought for possession of Florida, where French Huguenots had established a colony and fort named Fort Caroline before the Spanish but were wiped out by Spanish surprise attack in the 1560's (as well as the French colony at Fort Charles in South Carolina) so it is one possibility that the Spanish found the English colony and attacked them. The problems with this scenario are that there is no record of any such Spanish attack (remember the Spanish were pretty good at keeping records) and that Gov White found no Maltese cross when he finally did return to the colony.

The fact that there was no Maltese cross should be a clue that the colonists departure was NOT forced (either by hostile Amerindians or Spanish or other foreign forces) and that the fortifications and houses had all been dismantled shows that the colonists had time to do this in making their departure. As there were NO other English colonies or outposts they could travel to, the obvious and logical explanation would be that they simply "moved in" with the friendly Croatoan tribe.

Captain John Smith of the Virginia colony (and famous for his encounter with Pocahontas) did get information on some English people living within fifty miles of Jamestown, but we don't know if Cpt Smith managed to locate any of these persons. As this was some twenty years after the last contact with the colonists, it is not unbelievable that some survivors could still be alive in his time.

The lost colony of Roanoke is only one of the lost early colonies, though we know what happened in most other cases (like the French colonies mentioned earlier) the vanished people of Roanoke leave us guessing. Thank you for your indulgence.
Oroblanco

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Re: the lost colony... UP-Date.

ORO! How ya doing, "GOOD BUDDY"? 50 miles of Jamestown was correct. Some survivors WERE living with the "tidewater" nation, below Va. Beach, Va. , who refused to become part of the POWHATAN CONFEDERACY; KING POWHATAN (my grandfather - several generations "back"), wiped 'em out. BUT! His daughter, POCAHONTAS (my grandmother - several generations "back" - one...), DID see Virginia Dare, as WHITE DOVE, a WHITE "Indian"... HA! No wonder, she was curious about John Smith, who was LATER "adopted" into the "tribe", becoming "Pokie's" property... HA! Just "family history/oral tradition".

 

[treasureace14]

white slaves were popular in south america at the time.
so one theroy was spainayrds and south americans captured them.
for slaves

 

[Oroblanco]

HOWDY to mi amigo REBEL! (And a big HOLA AMIGOS to all!)

Thanks for the replies! I have also read a couple of similar theories, with the Portuguese or Dutch as the folks who attacked Roanoke and took away the colonists. We have to wonder though why no Maltese cross was left as a signal, and why the buildings and fortifications had been taken down? Perhaps this was done by the Spanish (or Portuguese or Dutch?)?
Oroblanco

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Re: the lost colony...

http://www.native-languages.org/lumbee.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Colony

 

[KJ$IPW]

one theory is that the Lumbee Indians(around Pembroke NC,Robeson county), are descended from the Lost Colony. The Lumbees perform a drama called "Strike At THe Wind"
HH
Steve

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Going further "in-land" to the mountains of north western North Carolina,
Great Smokies, and mountains of Tennessee, and into the mountains of southwest Virginia... becoming MELUNGEONS, according to MY "family history" via "oral traditions". 8)