molossus
Greenie
Hello All. I need the experience of the wise here at Tnet..those specific in sign. Im new to this whole scene, less then 1 month. I have spent years in the wilderness chasing snakes & other things, (herpetology), science and photography wise. My wifes friend visited last year and sparked an interest in lost treasures, but until I stumbled upon this site, I had never given much thought to the oddities I had found. Since finding TNet I began reading on the 'marks/signs' at which point realizing I have found many over the years. Today I went back to a canyon I know of with the family and followed. I photographed the trek and its information to share for additional information.. I know I am missing things here.
Some background..I live in the Southwest all which around me was originally a Spanish claim. The canyon runs to a river which in turn empties into another very prominent waterway. It involves a 2 hr drive in a 4WD vehicle to reach its beginning, I have never tried to access it from the river side..but Im sure it would take another hour. This canyon Im 'sharing' is limestone and conglomerate rock.. Making things hard to read as fissure are very fitted due to natural erosion. The conglomerate is not permanent either and allows wear on what may have once been clean chipped edges. Making some signs I believe I have possible I hope. I will take you thru todays journey as found and ask for your pointers..
Day started well found this little one as we drove the 2 hrs into where we park..
Cute little gopher snake..the cuter ones have rattles in my opinion.. yet I digress so on I go.
As we walk about 20 minutes down the western edge of the canyon rim we come to the first 'oddity' I recalled when I read about jesuit signs. This rock was named 'manhead' by my kids the first time they saw it 2yrs ago. It sits at a junction where another canyon joins the primary from the east.. as the primary continues to run South. The man head faces south as well...but after looking at picture I wonder if that not a dark skull on the back of his head that you see as you continue walking toward the other marks.. Could it be a warning?
He sits with additional rock behind which I believe the southern on points to a hole in the eastern canyon wall
"Manhead" has an adornment but I dont know if it means anything.. maybe a bear head on the one stone
Hear is a poor picture looking back up canyon at 'manhead'.. sorry for the flooding of light. If I can I will adjust later..
Continuing down the canyon we next came to this..South pointing stack with a shadow head!!
which lead to this 'oddity' there was no possible way for erosion to produce this..
This rock has been placed on edge.. this photo was the original bottom side of the rock.
Here is the top side.. before it was placed on edge to point South
So now I have two of what I consider defiante signs.. ready for the next? approx. 70ft South
Now just to the side of the rock stack was this..I seemed to angular to be water wear
But the angle corner pointed to this .... STACK 2!!!
Stack2 from above
Now we are excited.. and as we sit looking and talking just another 70ft or so away we see this rock...another on end placement
So I go over the edge and look over to find these.. Turtle above face..
Do you see it? A better photo....
The turtle and face are in a cut back bend on the rim of the rock.. later you will see from the canyon floor.. but after walking around the bend I took this picture looking back across at the last 4 Signs.. You can easily see them however..the upended pointer (just above the turtle & face) is hidden behind the tree.
As we stand talking and looking back my wife sees this mark.. it was hard to get a photo of it but it looks like a "B" or a '3' with long arms
This mark lay on the side of rock on the south side of the Bend with all the stone signs..?? Any ideas??
At this point another canyon comes in from the west and joins the primary one we are walking. It creates a sheer point at which one has to backtrack the new canyon to where the face allows descent to the canyon floor. At this point you have two choices..A)continue up the opposite side of the new canyon and then follow back to the primary rim. B)take the canyon floor out.
However before we choose I take a picture off the sheer point along the main canyon..I believe it is a buried broken half heart with a turtle crawling up. Does this mean a DT below the route to the treasure? why is the turtle crawling over the busted heart?
I will come back to this.. so in order to continue on we hike back up the secondary canyon. Now as we walk looking for a route down I look along the rim we are walking and see this scene..
Bear head... closer
Not more then 5 ft past this sculpture was a route which allowed access to the floor... coincidence.. what weird is that once you came up to the bear it was made from two rocks 10 inches apart that looked nothing like a bear unless viewed from down canyon as you hiked back from the sheer point.
This accessory canyon is much wetter and has more growth in its bottom.. As we hike I split up to run the lower wall edge but end up on a secondary platform.. As I walk the face looking for both snakes and signs I come upon this. I call them a "window" but I think there is another name for them..if there is fill me in..
And when I look thru is another bear head....
Going around to below the 'bearhead' I see this.. looks like major disturbance and an old built wall...
A large bush grew in front of it making access hard. Here is another from the other side
Here is a picture of the bush, botany has never been a strong point for me..doesnt look like anything else I saw in the canyon. very flesh on stem..picture sucks.
Im hoping if I go back in the winter it will be easier to see into the bush mess and get stuff out of the way.
At this point we begin to work out way out onto the canyon floor. I will pick up with where the side canyon joins the primary.. Looking up and down the canyon one sees a turtle on the rim? My wife saw it before me. I didnt have time to walk past it and look up canyon at it to see if it was more visible from the river end..
We were directly below the sheer point.. I walk to the broken half heart with turtle from earlier.. here are pictures from ground level.
Thats one of the dogs which keep kids safe from the mountain lions and bears in the area..sorry she got in there. Below is a picture from the south view of the turtle and heart.. makes purposeful placement seem definate I hope.
Walking up the canyon looking up toward the rim we saw this.. It was not apparent to Us from the rim edge..It is just south of the 'bend' marked by all the rim signs earlier
The next few are as you approach the 'bend' I will post as I dont knowif Im missing something..
In this picture you can see the rim Markers/signs from the canyon floor!! See the on end marker, which sat on edge above the 'turtle above face' and the to right of that one of the rock stacks...
Here is the 'bend' and its walls..
I believe there is a skull face on that wall.. here is a close up of it...
Last one of the 'bend' inlet with all the signs looking at it from northside canyon floor
We walked out from here. We will be back for sure..
Oh.. I found this rock on the canyon floor by 'manhead'. I think it looks like a duckhead.. its beak points at 'manhead'..
So members thats my adventure today.. Im open to whatever advice, input, or sage wisdom you all have in helping me solve this riddle. It seems bears figure prominately into the signs here..is that a common thing for certain animals to be repeticious? I know turtles and faces are common but thats it..like I said Im new to this..
Not that you guys may care but I only saw one other snake to day, just a plain old coachwhip. My life gets better and better, now to just get rid of my job and spend the rest of my life chasing snakes and treasure in the desert..
Molossus
Some background..I live in the Southwest all which around me was originally a Spanish claim. The canyon runs to a river which in turn empties into another very prominent waterway. It involves a 2 hr drive in a 4WD vehicle to reach its beginning, I have never tried to access it from the river side..but Im sure it would take another hour. This canyon Im 'sharing' is limestone and conglomerate rock.. Making things hard to read as fissure are very fitted due to natural erosion. The conglomerate is not permanent either and allows wear on what may have once been clean chipped edges. Making some signs I believe I have possible I hope. I will take you thru todays journey as found and ask for your pointers..
Day started well found this little one as we drove the 2 hrs into where we park..
Cute little gopher snake..the cuter ones have rattles in my opinion.. yet I digress so on I go.
As we walk about 20 minutes down the western edge of the canyon rim we come to the first 'oddity' I recalled when I read about jesuit signs. This rock was named 'manhead' by my kids the first time they saw it 2yrs ago. It sits at a junction where another canyon joins the primary from the east.. as the primary continues to run South. The man head faces south as well...but after looking at picture I wonder if that not a dark skull on the back of his head that you see as you continue walking toward the other marks.. Could it be a warning?
He sits with additional rock behind which I believe the southern on points to a hole in the eastern canyon wall
"Manhead" has an adornment but I dont know if it means anything.. maybe a bear head on the one stone
Hear is a poor picture looking back up canyon at 'manhead'.. sorry for the flooding of light. If I can I will adjust later..
Continuing down the canyon we next came to this..South pointing stack with a shadow head!!
which lead to this 'oddity' there was no possible way for erosion to produce this..
This rock has been placed on edge.. this photo was the original bottom side of the rock.
Here is the top side.. before it was placed on edge to point South
So now I have two of what I consider defiante signs.. ready for the next? approx. 70ft South
Now just to the side of the rock stack was this..I seemed to angular to be water wear
But the angle corner pointed to this .... STACK 2!!!
Stack2 from above
Now we are excited.. and as we sit looking and talking just another 70ft or so away we see this rock...another on end placement
So I go over the edge and look over to find these.. Turtle above face..
Do you see it? A better photo....
The turtle and face are in a cut back bend on the rim of the rock.. later you will see from the canyon floor.. but after walking around the bend I took this picture looking back across at the last 4 Signs.. You can easily see them however..the upended pointer (just above the turtle & face) is hidden behind the tree.
As we stand talking and looking back my wife sees this mark.. it was hard to get a photo of it but it looks like a "B" or a '3' with long arms
This mark lay on the side of rock on the south side of the Bend with all the stone signs..?? Any ideas??
At this point another canyon comes in from the west and joins the primary one we are walking. It creates a sheer point at which one has to backtrack the new canyon to where the face allows descent to the canyon floor. At this point you have two choices..A)continue up the opposite side of the new canyon and then follow back to the primary rim. B)take the canyon floor out.
However before we choose I take a picture off the sheer point along the main canyon..I believe it is a buried broken half heart with a turtle crawling up. Does this mean a DT below the route to the treasure? why is the turtle crawling over the busted heart?
I will come back to this.. so in order to continue on we hike back up the secondary canyon. Now as we walk looking for a route down I look along the rim we are walking and see this scene..
Bear head... closer
Not more then 5 ft past this sculpture was a route which allowed access to the floor... coincidence.. what weird is that once you came up to the bear it was made from two rocks 10 inches apart that looked nothing like a bear unless viewed from down canyon as you hiked back from the sheer point.
This accessory canyon is much wetter and has more growth in its bottom.. As we hike I split up to run the lower wall edge but end up on a secondary platform.. As I walk the face looking for both snakes and signs I come upon this. I call them a "window" but I think there is another name for them..if there is fill me in..
And when I look thru is another bear head....
Going around to below the 'bearhead' I see this.. looks like major disturbance and an old built wall...
A large bush grew in front of it making access hard. Here is another from the other side
Here is a picture of the bush, botany has never been a strong point for me..doesnt look like anything else I saw in the canyon. very flesh on stem..picture sucks.
Im hoping if I go back in the winter it will be easier to see into the bush mess and get stuff out of the way.
At this point we begin to work out way out onto the canyon floor. I will pick up with where the side canyon joins the primary.. Looking up and down the canyon one sees a turtle on the rim? My wife saw it before me. I didnt have time to walk past it and look up canyon at it to see if it was more visible from the river end..
We were directly below the sheer point.. I walk to the broken half heart with turtle from earlier.. here are pictures from ground level.
Thats one of the dogs which keep kids safe from the mountain lions and bears in the area..sorry she got in there. Below is a picture from the south view of the turtle and heart.. makes purposeful placement seem definate I hope.
Walking up the canyon looking up toward the rim we saw this.. It was not apparent to Us from the rim edge..It is just south of the 'bend' marked by all the rim signs earlier
The next few are as you approach the 'bend' I will post as I dont knowif Im missing something..
In this picture you can see the rim Markers/signs from the canyon floor!! See the on end marker, which sat on edge above the 'turtle above face' and the to right of that one of the rock stacks...
Here is the 'bend' and its walls..
I believe there is a skull face on that wall.. here is a close up of it...
Last one of the 'bend' inlet with all the signs looking at it from northside canyon floor
We walked out from here. We will be back for sure..
Oh.. I found this rock on the canyon floor by 'manhead'. I think it looks like a duckhead.. its beak points at 'manhead'..
So members thats my adventure today.. Im open to whatever advice, input, or sage wisdom you all have in helping me solve this riddle. It seems bears figure prominately into the signs here..is that a common thing for certain animals to be repeticious? I know turtles and faces are common but thats it..like I said Im new to this..
Not that you guys may care but I only saw one other snake to day, just a plain old coachwhip. My life gets better and better, now to just get rid of my job and spend the rest of my life chasing snakes and treasure in the desert..
Molossus
That's a new one to me. Aw man, I thought I really nailed one there... 
