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  1. #1

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Jesuit tree

    Good day,

    I have a short tale ending with a query:

    Through research into a mining district beginning around 1850+ and certain events, I narrowed a cache search down to a specific geographic location where I came upon what I call a Jesuit tree, in that it was split in the center and trained to form a neat "U" shape probably around 75 to 150 years old at most.

    After digging approximately 5.5 ft down in very compacted soil I came across four layers of limbs laid 4 across and layered 4 deep. The limbs are about the thickness of a silver dollar and show tool marks on the end.

    The Spanish miners are renown for their trap trickery and on the concern that that may have carried over, or that they may have a meaning I'm unaware of, my question is; does this have a particular significance?

    Thanks for any assistance.

  2. #2

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    The limbs, larger on the bottom, smaller on the top. 10-12" square.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Jesuit tree-img_2011091.jpg  

  3. #3
    us
    Sep 2011
    daytona beach florida
    bounty hunter
    71

    Re: Jesuit tree

    I have read of trees being trained in a similar way in the inter-mountain west, by certain native American tribes, as well as on the "old Spanish trail, by Jesuits, to signify available drinking water sources, or as significant markers.
    I dig this hobby!

  4. #4

    Feb 2005
    5,526
    11 times
    Cache Hunting

    Re: Jesuit tree

    This reminds me of Oak Island. A miniature version.
    Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Acts 13:41

  5. #5

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Gildeal,
    This link is where I submitted a trail tree marker at the Etowah Indian mounds some years ago, so yes, your information regarding tree manipulation is correct.

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...=90228.0;imode


  6. #6

    Mar 2008
    131

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Many times a tree was planted over a closed mine entrance or treasure, sounds like you have a burial.

    Minetres

  7. #7
    Conservative Cherokee "WP" (Wolf Pack 4Ever)

    Jan 2008
    Louisiana
    Explorer II & Garrett 2500 w/Treasure Hound
    1,659
    6 times

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Southerhunter, the limbs layed in the manner you describe, sounds more like a self feeding fire. Unlike most white men, the Indians would build their fires from the top down. The fires would burn much longer on less wood and often would last throughout the night. Unlike a fire built from the bottom up, which would need constant feeding. If there are no coals there, I would say it was setup but never used.

  8. #8

    Feb 2005
    5,526
    11 times
    Cache Hunting

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayCloud
    Southerhunter, the limbs layed in the manner you describe, sounds more like a self feeding fire. Unlike most white men, the Indians would build their fires from the top down. The fires would burn much longer on less wood and often would last throughout the night. Unlike a fire built from the bottom up, which would need constant feeding. If there are no coals there, I would say it was setup but never used.
    That makes a lot of sense. :
    Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Acts 13:41

  9. #9

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    That is an interesting observation Greycloud, and the stacked configuration of the limbs could very well represent that objective. Of course it begs consideration of why a campfire would be placed 5-1/2 feet underground with a tree on top.

  10. #10
    Conservative Cherokee "WP" (Wolf Pack 4Ever)

    Jan 2008
    Louisiana
    Explorer II & Garrett 2500 w/Treasure Hound
    1,659
    6 times

    Re: Jesuit tree

    That is why God gave us fingernails. So we can scratch our heads at times like this.

  11. #11
    us
    Jul 2011
    40

    Re: Jesuit tree

    The land or dirt may have been shifted or slid some comming to rest where you dug in 150 yrs everything is a little different,earth tremblers etc.

  12. #12
    us
    Sep 2011
    daytona beach florida
    bounty hunter
    71

    Re: Jesuit tree

    perhaps it was a sign to look at, in, or near the local native American campsite? or to signify fire, any signs of old campfires in the area?
    just a guess? maybe a sign that the cache was melted into a bullion?
    I dig this hobby!

  13. #13
    ca
    May 2007
    Canada
    Ace 250
    686
    1 times

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Southernhunter, maybe you should post this in the Treasure Marks/Signs section of the forums. Those guys might have an idea or 2 for you.... just a thought.

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,82.0.html

  14. #14

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Thanks for the suggestion CanadianTrout,

    Jeff moved the thread over for me.

  15. #15
    us
    "The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits."~Albert Einstein

    Jan 2007
    Tesoro Bandido II and DeLeon. also a Detector Pro Headhunter Diver, and a Garrett BFO called The Hunter. Just added a Garrett Ace 250.
    3,486
    6 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Jesuit tree

    I'm wondering why those pieces of limb weren't rotted away in 150 years
    " 'Polls' are surveys of uninformed people who think it's possible to get the answer wrong." .........Ann Coulter

  16. #16

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Hi Shortstack,

    This query had occurred to me as well, & what I concluded was that because the area in question receives around 7" of rain a year & these were buried well underground surrounded by hard packed soil, there was really no oxygen + moisture for them to rot.

  17. #17
    us
    May 2007
    Western Colorado
    5,871
    2 times

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Thengridwork you discribe is a characterisic of a sealed shaft.
    Have you removed the branches from the hole?
    if so was there any indication of further excavation needed?

    Look around the area for signs that indicate anything of this nature. it will be to your benifit if there is.
    "Everybody dies"
    "But not everybody lives."

  18. #18

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Hi Olddog,

    Thanks very much for your feedback.

    We have removed the branches & as yet have no indication of a sealed shaft. Occasionally while encountering a buried stone in the exploration area, I place a crowbar on it & pound with a sledge to test for reverberation, but as yet no luck.

    What I wouldn't give for GPR

  19. #19
    us
    "The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits."~Albert Einstein

    Jan 2007
    Tesoro Bandido II and DeLeon. also a Detector Pro Headhunter Diver, and a Garrett BFO called The Hunter. Just added a Garrett Ace 250.
    3,486
    6 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Southernhunter
    Hi Olddog,

    Thanks very much for your feedback.

    We have removed the branches & as yet have no indication of a sealed shaft. Occasionally while encountering a buried stone in the exploration area, I place a crowbar on it & pound with a sledge to test for reverberation, but as yet no luck.

    What I wouldn't give for GPR
    How about $15,000? Couldn't resist.
    " 'Polls' are surveys of uninformed people who think it's possible to get the answer wrong." .........Ann Coulter

  20. #20

    Sep 2006
    Out West
    94

    Re: Jesuit tree

    Heh Shortstack,

    That's cool & your right about the price. ROI could make it worthwhile though

 

 
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