Basic signs and symbols you have found

[mdog]

I've seen some type of image that seems to be affected by the weather. It isn't a carving but I can't figure out how it was created, maybe some type of paint. It looks like some type of prehistoric anthropomorphic rock art but I suppose it could be from the historic period. It seems to fade and I haven't been able to figure out what weather conditions affect it. Three years ago you could make it out easily. Now, it's barely perceptible. I don't know if it's affected by high or low humidity, dry or rainy periods or what. If somebody created it to appear or fade with weather conditions, they're a lot smarter than me. It's probably just a condition created naturally.

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[tertiaryjim]

Looked like a cat to me until I took that white rock under it's bum as a cotton tail.

[mdog]

Sorry no help as far as the signs, but I was thinking about your site... Have you noticed the number three and seven to repeat itself constantly? For example, I found three hills across from three other hills and a single hill in the distance which made a triangle and accounted for seven total hills. Since I believe as well as you that the same group is responsible... any conistencey which supports this idea at your location. Given this is only one example of many. That goes out to anyone who has followed or is following a black robe site.

Lots of 7's and 3's. Some as putting numbers to letters and adding them up. I use the Latin alphabet, 26 letters.

At the spot I'm looking at there are 3 large birds to start it out. Lots of birds at this spot, all of them giving direction. The birds form a large triangle, about a quarter mile perimeter. Close to the north end of the triangle is a smaller one inside the large one. the small triangle is marked with an eye, heart and D. the D is the southern most point and has a marker pointing 100 feet to a large hole. It took me 3 years to figure it out but somebody who knows signs could probably figure it out in a couple of hours. For that reason it might be a false trail.

How's your site set up?

Rick

[Shortstack]

MDog, be sure to thouroughly search "empty" holes. One bit of info I've seen says that the Spanish would bury some caches deep (twice the height of the King) and put a smaller cache at a shallow depth to make any looters think they'd found the real goodies.

[mdog]

MDog, be sure to thouroughly search "empty" holes. One bit of info I've seen says that the Spanish would bury some caches deep (twice the height of the King) and put a smaller cache at a shallow depth to make any looters think they'd found the real goodies.

Thanks Shortstack. I've heard of that trick and it's possible it could have been used at this spot. I think the hole might have been dug by whoever set the site up because the last marker is only about the size of my spread hand. If the person who dug the hole followed the signs to that spot, I think they probably would have removed the last sign, as well as one other that could have easily been moved. So, maybe it was setup the way you said.

[hadji009]

dr.syn how about a hand petting the cat on head?

[mdog]

How did you come up with Matthew 6:20. You also asked about the 7 and 3. At my spot I think the 7 and 3 was used to confirm a direction to the south, John 7:3 as well as the 7 being used to point direction. I am interested in finding similar sites. How are your 7's and 3's shown or what do they indicate. I have three carvings that are tied together by 74 perimeter length. That's in inches though. Actually it might not have been measured in inches, a piece of string could have been used to identify the carvings.

[mdog]

Everything came in groups, unless it is storyline specific. So, sometimes if I only had two of something...looking for the third of the group usually allowed me to figure out what I needed or was missing. For example, my panel had two "dots", yes they were there for it to complete a "mayan 12", but the "eye catcher" in the distance acted as my third "dot"...which in turn gave me three dot, but also gave me more information in regards to the bigger picture. I.E. The "all seeing eye" is also a hidden mayan "20". Not sure if that is clear, but the point being groups of three or seven

Now that you mention 7's and 3's being in groups, see if this sounds like what you're speaking of. At my place there are 7 spots where there are markers before the hole. The first 3 places have multiple signs and the last 4 have sigle markers. The first 4 places have an owl in some form and the last 3 don't have any type of bird. As far as terrain features fitting in with that, I haven't seen it but I haven't been looking for it.

If you don't mind me asking, how big of an area are you looking at. My trail goes for about a quarter mile. It starts out with 3 large birds by a hoyo with other multiple carvings. My trail circled around and went high and ended up real close to the begining of the trail. Also, what is it about your spot that makes you feel it is Jesuit. Were they active in your area. I'd like to know because I'm trying to rule groups out at my spot. I'm trying to find out what would make a spot Jesuit. Your place seems to be more complicated than mine.

[usernotfound]

Now that you mention 7's and 3's being in groups, see if this sounds like what you're speaking of. At my place there are 7 spots where there are markers before the hole. The first 3 places have multiple signs and the last 4 have sigle markers. The first 4 places have an owl in some form and the last 3 don't have any type of bird. As far as terrain features fitting in with that, I haven't seen it but I haven't been looking for it.

If you don't mind me asking, how big of an area are you looking at. My trail goes for about a quarter mile. It starts out with 3 large birds by a hoyo with other multiple carvings. My trail circled around and went high and ended up real close to the begining of the trail. Also, what is it about your spot that makes you feel it is Jesuit. Were they active in your area. I'd like to know because I'm trying to rule groups out at my spot. I'm trying to find out what would make a spot Jesuit. Your place seems to be more complicated than mine.

Yes, Jesuits. Seven leagues. Remember i meantioned a trial period, seven leagues will test you. The interpertation of the signs and symbols were not exactly Spanish. Remember, memory recollection is the reason for the selection of certain sings/ symbols ...all information can be remembered in a religious context even with bible verses (the measurements). All they had to do is reference the Bible or recollect stories contained within. The symbols stop during the seven leagues (faith). But the story picks back up. On the phone... Hope that answers your question. I suggest if your site is in fact a b-robe site to look for pattern and think of it as a storyline IE, dove/water/circle around= "rebirth"... Try again in a religious point of view kind of way... That is just my take on things...But what do I know? maybe rangler can correct me if I have mispoken, he seems to the the resident SME.

[Casca]

Very interesting Usernotfound, it seems plausible.

I believe the education levels of the time would discourage putting numbers out there or the use of math. Owning a bible let alone reading one would also not be likely. The use of signs would be rather simple, and their meaning not so hidden.

I do see a link to the four gospels. I also believe that distance can be derived from certain markers.

But there was many players in the process of riches. The owner had to give precise directions to the location of the mine? The kings men could not do all the work themselves and protect the population. So the peons had to have a way to help, meaning a way to follow the trail.

Now this was not just a few generations but century's of trails and trade. The laws changed for the Spanish over that period of time such as ownership. Other things also changed to include mining, navigation, and politics. Also what to do with the excess mineral?

To have a legal mine certain steps had to be followed. To do otherwise invited death.

As for groups of 3 and 4. Yes history and art of the time will show many uses of groups of 3 and 4. I wont go into that, but have several examples in mind, and you can easily come up with some of your own.

I too was confused at first like Mdog as I am seeing what appears is many groups. I was surprised to find even the French was involved. But no site is Jesuit, unless it is a training site. Training sites have nothing to do with treasure. While the Jesuits may have helped set up and run sites early on, they were quickly removed from the picture. Or they stepped back from the spotlight on purpose. Either way, the signs soon got smaller, and meanings changed. I see the same site marked up three different ways leading to same spot. I also see remnants of ancient cultures who had their marks partially removed or defaced.

What ever way a person searches. He or she is seeing what they are meant to see. Signs repeating and getting smaller or larger is a good clue Im at least in the ball park. I seen a beautiful stone owl with a smaller statue at its feet. I was on top of a peak, and birds mean a change in direction. Its a good thing I didnt change direction as the next rock was 15 storys below lol. At the base of the peak where I started was another owl, above a old spring. I took a few steps and dug down to find a flat rock. I stopped there, as I was just happy to find the flat rock. I have found many possibilities since then, and I didnt use any of the methods described on Tnet. But there are some very good clues here. Im gonna have to slow down one day and read all these threads from beginning to end.

[usernotfound]

Very interesting Usernotfound, it seems plausible.

Casca, Although I agree on some things you've said...the symbols and details at my site are not for debate, but you are welcome to call me a liar.

[Hoofer]

The next site I plan to work (ancients) has several carved alligator heads ranged along a cliff face top. Does anyone know
the meaning of these? Also badgers in shadow signs. Any help by ancients readers surely appreciated.

[usernotfound]

The next site I plan to work (ancients) has several carved alligator heads ranged along a cliff face top. Does anyone know
the meaning of these? Also badgers in shadow signs. Any help by ancients readers surely appreciated.

Signs and symbols are meant to invoke memory or special knowledge. You do not always have to rely on special knowledge sometimes you can just rely on memory. Think about the symbol...and ask yourself why they would use the symbol. It also helps to be familiar which the location and its history. I'm just guessing here, but it sounds great. Good luck.


In other news, I ran across this... I found at at this site:

neil grant - Blogistan 2009

I was looking for aircraft securing pegs...go figure.

[oddrock]

dr.syn how about a hand petting the cat on head?

Brent,

I am glad you are getting to go to your site soon. "G"ooD Luck! Looked like the cat to me too. Seen it several times. Perhaps the "mouse hole" is nearby...being watched by the cat....

Oddrock

[dsty]

Hello O,R. and Brent I guess I will have to use this untill something better comes along, hope you guys come back for a check, I can't seem to get loged on to the other sites either. I have posted stuff that never got posted either, kinda like its been taken over by a bunch of dumb a$$es. That last part will probably get me kicked off, oh well I had a life before TN

[hadji009]

o.r. dsty,got to keep comming back, still looking for clues and and advice from the expirenced ones.where else can u see all the great photos every1 out west has.a lot different navigating thru this site just dont do it as much now,will try to catch up in one visit now.o.r. miss your photos u have some real nice stuff where ever u r.

[Casca]

I never call anyone a liar Usernotfound. I can apply the use of numbers to several scenarios. I just believe things were kept a little simpler than what is made out in some of these pages. Im too lazy to pace off distances, and still feel pretty good at what I am finding. But knowing when to stop and do the math is probably important too.

I can find the number 7 ,a square, and lazy "Y" in most areas I have found. As I work out from the camp or work area I find signs of habitation. There is much in these areas to be found as for sign.

I am not seeing numbers as a measurement but as a reference to say Camp or how many of what is here.

When I actually measure distance you need to be adapt at converting vera. I would confuse the issue saying more on this.

Since I usually know what I have before I find a number. I only use the number to confirm who made the site.

Between forestry, surveyor, and even the French making signs over signs. I dont consider a number when found that important, but know where it was found is more important.

Now when I see Stallions, Thunderbird, and a flying Montezuma I get excited.

I will say the number 1 is very important. Also the number 5 may actually be a "s". Which then converting to old hebrew or greek can give multiple meanings. A 7 could be a v and so on. However you use numbers is really up to you. If it works, keep doing it.

[billythekidder]

Now when I see Stallions, Thunderbird, and a flying Montezuma I get excited.

casca would you be so kind as to say what these signs mean

[Chas]

Hey Every One; Before I get into my pictures I would like to THANK YOU ALL , so much for the PICTURES and the WISDOM THAT YOU ALL SHARE WITH US. I mean this with all heart. And now to the pictures, I found my first site last year ( my only site ) had 842 pictures fo this site that I was going to share with the forum. I ask two forum menbers on how to post these pictures , with out losing my site, and both of them reply ( this is what I mean about the kindles of this forum ) but before I could post mt PC crash and I lost all the pictures well I lost evert thing not iust the pictures. So I am starting a new. I am posting three pictures ( if all go right ) that run from left to right. You will find all kinds of things in them, a big Crocodile , Owl, Turtle, please check out the Croc. eye its cool. There numbers & letters, up by the Turtle there is women with her hair blow back by the wind, ( beautiful ) a Bear, to it look like the head of a Crow. There are numbers that like 4-47 a bible verse John chapter1 verse 47 or John chapter 4 verse 47 I also believe this a John site. Please for give the spelling & grammar its been over 51 years sense school. I would love your thoughts good or bad.
Thanks so much The Student Chaswho

[Chas]

The picture on the botton is picture # 1 the picture on the right is picture # 2 and the picture upon the left is # 3 Sorry