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When a cross is carved on a clifft and near a campsite it is important its size?
When a cross is carved on a clifft and near a campsite it is important its size?
Basic signs and symbols you have found
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Cherryman68
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And What does a frog stand for?
And What does a frog stand for?
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Old Dog
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The size and determination will give the cross definite meaning.
A cross with a tilted cross bar is directional .
A cross with one side of the bar longer that the other is directional.
if there is a point on the bottom of the upright pointing down... dig here.
if the cross is slanted or several crosses together all slanted the same the crosses are directional
follow the way they lean.
You may find a cross on a wall or a tree a few feet off the ground,
measure from the bottom of the cross and multiply that amount by varas and dig that far.
Crosses are an important sign.
jesus said:
The size and determination will give the cross definite meaning.
A cross with a tilted cross bar is directional .
A cross with one side of the bar longer that the other is directional.
if there is a point on the bottom of the upright pointing down... dig here.
if the cross is slanted or several crosses together all slanted the same the crosses are directional
follow the way they lean.
You may find a cross on a wall or a tree a few feet off the ground,
measure from the bottom of the cross and multiply that amount by varas and dig that far.
Crosses are an important sign.
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Old Dog
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Most aquatic animals were used to indicate a good water source.
Turtles are the exception.
I am not sure about this being a frog,
however there is a good source of year round water within a quarter mile on this site.
Cherryman68 said:
Most aquatic animals were used to indicate a good water source.
Turtles are the exception.
I am not sure about this being a frog,
however there is a good source of year round water within a quarter mile on this site.
desertmoons
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May i meekly add .... sometimes its not a bad idea to check and make sure the cross is not part of some larger symbol. Step back and look at it from a bigger point of view.
May i meekly add .... sometimes its not a bad idea to check and make sure the cross is not part of some larger symbol. Step back and look at it from a bigger point of view.
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Good day all.....
I am new to all of this and have been looking at all the posts and pix. I hade downloaded quite a few and am making my own observations as well. I currently live in Colorado Springs and am excited to try and get started on this as I think that the C/S area would be an AWESOME area to check around. If anyone has any additional input into areas that MIGHT be good to start in (in the Springs) it would be very much appreciated.
Good hunting all,
Nick
Good day all.....
I am new to all of this and have been looking at all the posts and pix. I hade downloaded quite a few and am making my own observations as well. I currently live in Colorado Springs and am excited to try and get started on this as I think that the C/S area would be an AWESOME area to check around. If anyone has any additional input into areas that MIGHT be good to start in (in the Springs) it would be very much appreciated.
Good hunting all,
Nick
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goldenlady
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Welcome Nick,
Take a drive up Ute Pass just out of Manitou Springs. You will be surprised at what you see on both sides of Highway 24. Also Highway 50 between Texas Creek and Salida. There's lots of different monuments in both areas.
Linda
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Welcome Nick,
Take a drive up Ute Pass just out of Manitou Springs. You will be surprised at what you see on both sides of Highway 24. Also Highway 50 between Texas Creek and Salida. There's lots of different monuments in both areas.
Linda
(Shawnee)
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Old Dog
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Welcome Nick,
Thanks for posting.
The first picture is of the roman numeral 20.
Signifying 20% or the Royal quint, the 1/5Th that always belonged to the King.
The second picture I cannot say
The third is of a bird that has weathered almost beyond recognition.
The fourth is of a large silver sign up high.
etc...
Ignoring modern graffiti and working with the pieces and parts that are made with a chisel is at best hard without seeing the signs in person.
As far as places to hunt... you live just above the San Louis Valley,
that area is without doubt one of the best places in the State to hunt and learn the signs.
There were missions and land grants as well as many mining expeditions that were in that area.
What a prime spot to look.
Best of luck. Try not to see too many things that aren't there.
Make sure it is cut into the stone with a hard steel tool.
When you are first starting take a lot of pictures as well,
take them from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM.
That is when the shadows will be right.
You will find the most signs during those hours.
Stay safe and have fun, hope to see good things from you.
Thom
Welcome Nick,
Thanks for posting.
The first picture is of the roman numeral 20.
Signifying 20% or the Royal quint, the 1/5Th that always belonged to the King.
The second picture I cannot say
The third is of a bird that has weathered almost beyond recognition.
The fourth is of a large silver sign up high.
etc...
Ignoring modern graffiti and working with the pieces and parts that are made with a chisel is at best hard without seeing the signs in person.
As far as places to hunt... you live just above the San Louis Valley,
that area is without doubt one of the best places in the State to hunt and learn the signs.
There were missions and land grants as well as many mining expeditions that were in that area.
What a prime spot to look.
Best of luck. Try not to see too many things that aren't there.
Make sure it is cut into the stone with a hard steel tool.
When you are first starting take a lot of pictures as well,
take them from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM.
That is when the shadows will be right.
You will find the most signs during those hours.
Stay safe and have fun, hope to see good things from you.
Thom
goldenlady
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Thank-you Thom,
Actually I've been a member for quite awhile, just don't post too much. There's lots up your ways too (as you already know) but I was just answering him about the Colorado Springs area. Good advice about not seeing something in everything.
Take care and keep up the good advice !!
Linda (Shawnee)
Thank-you Thom,
Actually I've been a member for quite awhile, just don't post too much. There's lots up your ways too (as you already know) but I was just answering him about the Colorado Springs area. Good advice about not seeing something in everything.
Take care and keep up the good advice !!
Linda (Shawnee)
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Well, I am not going to say where this is - besides Texas
but I found a line - of piles of rocks... that extends for a couple miles.... they are NOT from cleared fields... it is NOT a fence line... (the piles range from 10 feet to 40 feet apart - AND the line runs due North to South) they are MOST definitely markers to "something". They cross all modern fence lines and roads.... AND they just happen to lead to a series of cliff side stone shelters.... where we, and others have in the past.... have ALSO found spanish artifacts ... swords, helmets, and "buried things". (yes the search will continue) 
Do I believe in most of the "signs" posted here? No. Have >I< seen signs? Yes.
IMHO - if you were an early explorer, and made - and cached a discovery, you would almost certainly need to lay out some markers. Of course, rivers and hills can serve that purpose too!
SIGH.
Well, I am not going to say where this is - besides Texas
but I found a line - of piles of rocks... that extends for a couple miles.... they are NOT from cleared fields... it is NOT a fence line... (the piles range from 10 feet to 40 feet apart - AND the line runs due North to South) they are MOST definitely markers to "something". They cross all modern fence lines and roads.... AND they just happen to lead to a series of cliff side stone shelters.... where we, and others have in the past.... have ALSO found spanish artifacts ... swords, helmets, and "buried things". (yes the search will continue) Do I believe in most of the "signs" posted here? No. Have >I< seen signs? Yes.
IMHO - if you were an early explorer, and made - and cached a discovery, you would almost certainly need to lay out some markers. Of course, rivers and hills can serve that purpose too!
SIGH.
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Old Dog
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Marc,
I am aware of some of the markers you speak of, some of the "guides" left by Spanish and others are quite dramatic.
Other signs and marks are less than obvious. Some seem really out there, LOL.
What we are trying to do here is make some sense out of the ordinary things in unnatural places and positions that seem to plague the routes traversed by the ones who have gone before. The things that jump out and grab you and say "why should I be here when everything else looks normal for the area". Many times there is really no explanation except to say it is there and only time will give us the reason for it.
It is a never never ending source of amazement to me how much work and creativity must have gone into some of these things.
Thom
Marc,
I am aware of some of the markers you speak of, some of the "guides" left by Spanish and others are quite dramatic.
Other signs and marks are less than obvious. Some seem really out there, LOL.
What we are trying to do here is make some sense out of the ordinary things in unnatural places and positions that seem to plague the routes traversed by the ones who have gone before. The things that jump out and grab you and say "why should I be here when everything else looks normal for the area". Many times there is really no explanation except to say it is there and only time will give us the reason for it.
It is a never never ending source of amazement to me how much work and creativity must have gone into some of these things.
Thom
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Someone was asking a while back about small conicle holes and what they would be used for.
I told them I would return to the subject as soon as I could produce a picture...
The conicle holes many times were used in place of bar molds for metal as it was poured in small amounts.
The metal shrinks as it cools and pops right out of the hole.
Here is an example.
Someone was asking a while back about small conicle holes and what they would be used for.
I told them I would return to the subject as soon as I could produce a picture...
The conicle holes many times were used in place of bar molds for metal as it was poured in small amounts.
The metal shrinks as it cools and pops right out of the hole.
Here is an example.
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Old Dog and All;
New to forum, retired military living in the Philippines, have been doing TH since 1982
Duh....really felt dumb as I have had listings of treasure marking signs used here by
Japanese since 80s, have seen some that even had references to Spanish. Recently Found a
whole tutorial on the internet about Spanish Marking Signs, and Booby Traps....they are
almost identical except Japanese used Bombs.. Spanish used same Rock Fall Traps and Trap
doors.
The Turtles, Snake Signs, Diamond, Triangle, Circle, Lightning, Jaws and the Dots or Line
Markers for Distance were there, distance may vary but have almost identical meenings for short or long distances or doubling distance.
Old Dog and All;
New to forum, retired military living in the Philippines, have been doing TH since 1982
Duh....really felt dumb as I have had listings of treasure marking signs used here by
Japanese since 80s, have seen some that even had references to Spanish. Recently Found a
whole tutorial on the internet about Spanish Marking Signs, and Booby Traps....they are
almost identical except Japanese used Bombs.. Spanish used same Rock Fall Traps and Trap
doors.
The Turtles, Snake Signs, Diamond, Triangle, Circle, Lightning, Jaws and the Dots or Line
Markers for Distance were there, distance may vary but have almost identical meenings for short or long distances or doubling distance.
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Old Dog
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Bob,
Welcome to T-Net !
Don't count the Spanish out where you are.
There may be more Spanish caches than Japanese Left.
Seems that everyone there hunts the Japanese, nobody hunts the Spanish.
Best of luck though in all your hunts,
Keep us posted on your signs and finds.
Thom
Bob,
Welcome to T-Net !
Don't count the Spanish out where you are.
There may be more Spanish caches than Japanese Left.
Seems that everyone there hunts the Japanese, nobody hunts the Spanish.
Best of luck though in all your hunts,
Keep us posted on your signs and finds.
Thom
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Old Dog;
First time up, yes been here a long time in the Philippines, 8yrs in Navy then came back in 89, spent a lot of years researching, Spanish here for 300yrs. Galleons, Spanish War, Church Loot lots of it here, but you can laugh at me or not...it is more difficult than Japanese Loot to recover because of supernatural activity this stuff has a dark side associated with it. The Japanese used similar techniques of protecting loads with violent deaths and using offerings to recover. Only a couple experiences with Spanish, but I had an old Mining Engineer Partner in the 80s that did a lot more, and had some real si-fi tales of ones he had worked. In all the Forums I don't hear people talking about it, but was physically attacked on my first project, I am an American, and did not believe in it, in fact had been making fun of the spirits being seen by our workers and my partner when it occured. Had contacts at almost every site. I can still remember Mell Fisher working the Atocha, the Jamacan Captain on the Tugboat was definitely spooked during the Documentary, that nite the Tugboat sunk he recovered but he lost his son and daughter in law, price to pay... maybe!
Anyway good talking to you, I was glad to find the Spanish Marking Connection, downloaded them to add to my collections of markings and codes.
Old Dog;
First time up, yes been here a long time in the Philippines, 8yrs in Navy then came back in 89, spent a lot of years researching, Spanish here for 300yrs. Galleons, Spanish War, Church Loot lots of it here, but you can laugh at me or not...it is more difficult than Japanese Loot to recover because of supernatural activity this stuff has a dark side associated with it. The Japanese used similar techniques of protecting loads with violent deaths and using offerings to recover. Only a couple experiences with Spanish, but I had an old Mining Engineer Partner in the 80s that did a lot more, and had some real si-fi tales of ones he had worked. In all the Forums I don't hear people talking about it, but was physically attacked on my first project, I am an American, and did not believe in it, in fact had been making fun of the spirits being seen by our workers and my partner when it occured. Had contacts at almost every site. I can still remember Mell Fisher working the Atocha, the Jamacan Captain on the Tugboat was definitely spooked during the Documentary, that nite the Tugboat sunk he recovered but he lost his son and daughter in law, price to pay... maybe!
Anyway good talking to you, I was glad to find the Spanish Marking Connection, downloaded them to add to my collections of markings and codes.
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Rick, were you able to make out what that long line of letters, symbols and or maybe numbers were on that rock face?
Rick, were you able to make out what that long line of letters, symbols and or maybe numbers were on that rock face?
desertmoons
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Wow busy thread!
TD bro! What a cool..formation Look like it shaded something. When i first saw it i thought what a great place to place a a cross or icon...like a shrine.
But...I want to see you scramble like a mountain goat
. Seriously taking a look up might be useful.
The tiny areas can not be sure but may be little things looking at each other.
Now i have allowed myself to look for tinys and smaller carvings i see them everywhere..eventually that will wear off.
However!
It looks to me like a multipurpose marker with the dead/resting guy. He is pointing up.. his legs may also resemble a triangle. Something below his back bone too.
Thom... what an interesting picture! Never saw anything like that. Thanks for showing us.
Nic that all pinnacle that rock climbers love in Garden of the Gods...hmmm.. i think there are benches near there. On one of the rocks faces right around the benches... quite near... there are a fair number of carvings like names and dates and maybe other things. . It was too bright and sunny when i was there and i did not have a camera...but it might be worth checking out on an overcast day for educational purposes.
Good luck marc! Welcome to everyone else.
Everyone else..welcome to T-net or to this thread
Wow busy thread!
TD bro! What a cool..formation
Look like it shaded something. When i first saw it i thought what a great place to place a a cross or icon...like a shrine. But...I want to see you scramble like a mountain goat
. Seriously taking a look up might be useful.The tiny areas can not be sure but may be little things looking at each other.
Now i have allowed myself to look for tinys and smaller carvings i see them everywhere..eventually that will wear off.
However!
It looks to me like a multipurpose marker with the dead/resting guy. He is pointing up.. his legs may also resemble a triangle. Something below his back bone too.
Thom... what an interesting picture! Never saw anything like that. Thanks for showing us.
Nic that all pinnacle that rock climbers love in Garden of the Gods...hmmm.. i think there are benches near there. On one of the rocks faces right around the benches... quite near... there are a fair number of carvings like names and dates and maybe other things. . It was too bright and sunny when i was there and i did not have a camera...but it might be worth checking out on an overcast day for educational purposes.
Good luck marc! Welcome to everyone else.
Everyone else..welcome to T-net or to this thread
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