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    Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    I found the original cache site after a 3 year, part time, search. The large tree now growing out of the hole suggests it was recovered decades ago. My theory is that Shapiro recovered it, with the aid of the map, after Schultz was killed. The cache site exactly matches the known info on the map. One of the trees that marked the burial site, had the carving "1934" in it, which is the year the iron box was buried.
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    Hey, that's cool even finding the site. I expect many of these well known caches people are searching for have already been found and they are wasting their time. Where do you live? I live near the Catskills and search with True_Metal, who also lives in the Hudson Valley.
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    I live in W. Mass. It took me a couple of hours each way everytime I went out there. So, I only went there about 7 or 8 times. The visits helped me excluded some of the local theories on the treasure. But, I actually spotted the area of interest on a topo map, while I was home. I think we got shortchanged here in the Northeast. There aren't a lot of treasures up this way. Maybe we can share a search sometime, since you live up this way too.
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    Re: Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    GaBnnthree, My first search for the 7.4 was in 1962.Since then I have warn out One wife ,7 partners,4 dogs ,12 metal detectors and 4 automobiles. I have consulted with people that claimed to have known "Arther"', Seers of all types and have used a lot of strange locating devices to no avail.
    I have even produced a audio tape and annotated map because I gathered so much information.

    Just a tip--- If holes were any indication of the box being found, found there are a hundred holes with and with out trees in the area . there are also two different areas (about 10 Miles apart) that two factions of hunters promote as the area of the hiding place . Also some people believe that he was shot on the same day he buried the box. My best of luck to you and if you run into a tall ugly guy around Phoenicia,that will be me so don't shoot,alleykid
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    Alleykid,
    I understand how hard it is to give up on a search. No one was more obsessed than me. Now all I have is a story of a hole in the ground. But, it's not just the hole that has convinced me. It's the carving on the tree, or the fact that the location exactly matched the known info on the map, but, more importantly, it's where he should have buried it. If it makes you feel good to keep looking, then keep looking. But, I know in my heart that is was recovered long ago. There will always be some doubt for those who choose to keep looking. But, I try to be realistic because some day I really want to find the big one, and don't want to waste my time. I created maps of my own during the search. I'd be happy to e-mail you copies. I have no secrets about that search now. When you visit the spot, you will kick yourself in the butt for not looking there yourself. Too bad about your wife. TH'ers are special people who believe in dreams. If you want those maps e-mal me at GaBnn3@aol.com.
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    Re: Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    Dear Fellow TH'ers:
    ? ? ?I returned to the spot to view it this weekend in preparation for a TV show about the Schultz treasure. I was disappointed to see the bark peeled off the tree with the carving. I assume that when someone approaches me through this site, that they are the quality of individual that I have come to expect here, and feel safe sending the maps. Those who don't have a code of ethics, and have my maps, please be respectful as this is a bit of history, and physical evidence of the unique behavior of one of the nations most powerful gansters. I, at least for the time being, will refrain from sending any more maps. I know you understand. I tried to post a pic of the carving, with this message, for all to see, but the file size is too big. If anyone wants a pic of the carving, I'd be happy to send it, but the spot should be preserved. Thanks.

    GB
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    GaBNN I wouldn't be surprised to see that thing on Ebay if someone did get your map and then try to sell the carving. It is a shame even the Fact he was a gangster it is no reason for people to deface the area or souvenir hunt it for the last remaining clue. It is to bad but please keep us posted on the show and when it might aire. If you Email me the Pic I can reduce it and Post it for you . I don't need any other info .Thanks again for a great story and congrats on your search. HH

    M Email is co2boo@earthlink.net
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    Gabnn Here is what you sent. I will e-mail you a copy as well. Please tell us what we are looking at here.Thanks .HH
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    The map, drawn by Schultz' bodyguard and entrusted to his buddy, Marty, as "insurance", was reported to have an X drawn on it. Consequently, everyone expected to see an X in real life. Think about that. This site is in a pine grove, between the Esopus Creek and Rt 28, in an area that would not have been disturbed for the length of time Schultz thought he would be in prison. In fact, except for the excavation of the box, the area has not been disturbed. A landmark makes this location easily found, even by a city boy, so a map wouldn't be necessary. The burial hole is equidistant between two pines, so the box could easily be recovered. The southernmost pine, now fallen, was marked with the carving shown above. In spite of the aging of the wood, the hand carving "1934" is still visible. Schultz was indicted in Jan '33 and went on the run, until he surrendered in Nov '34. Since my last visit, someone peeled the bark off this tree. Here my son holds the hanging bark against the trunk, as I attempted to make it appear more as I first found it. This carving was probably made by Schultz, himself, while Lulu dug the hole. Schulz was found not guilty, much to everyone's surprize, but he found himself faced with further charges. So, it is unlikely he recovered the box, until his fate could be determined. The box was to be his salvation, while incarcerated. Schultz refused to comply with the syndicate, and was killed before the resolution of the additional charges. A rival, Shapiro, learned of the map, through a mutual female acquaintance, and, shortly after Schultz was shot, obtained the map during a botched hit on Marty. He then claimed that he couldn't understand the map, and gave up after a couple of tries. However, there is a prominent feature, not mentioned above that makes this location easily located. Though not mentioned in the written accounts on the map, it probably was, in fact, on the map. Therefore, I conclude that Shapiro, with the aid of the map, easily obtained the box, getting, not only, a piece of Schultz' former territory, but his personal fortune, as well. He would not have admitted obtaining it, since the gov't was nailing gangsters for criminal tax violations, and he didn't want to share with the others who took over Schultz former territory. The Liberty bonds, known to have been in the box, were undoubtedly destroyed so they couldn't be traced. As for the $1000 bills, diamonds, $20 gold coins, and other valuables they were very liquid, readily accepted in commerce, and could have provided for some lucky TH'er very well.
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    Thanks GaBnn3. Great Story and it appears the mystery is solved. I think your explanation is probably accurate and given the times someone is or was living a good life off of Dutch. HH
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    Re: Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    GaBnn3 said

    I found the original cache site after a 3 year, part time, search. The large tree now growing out of the hole suggests it was recovered decades ago. My theory is that Shapiro recovered it, with the aid of the map, after Schultz was killed. The cache site exactly matches the known info on the map. One of the trees that marked the burial site, had the carving "1934" in it, which is the year the iron box was buried.
    The fact you found a 'big' hole on that area, it doesn't means that somebody found the cache, the only accurate way that you can use to be 100% sure is the use of a 'Radar'(I got one) in order you can see with your eyes 'what's going on'.

    YOU SAID "MY THEORY IS THAT MR. SHAPIRO RECOVERED IT",....you said it all, "THEORY", that's means you're not 100% sure

    I have a radar that I can use over there.If you're interested to coordinate with me just let me know sending me a PM.

    Thanks

    Amona

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    Thanks for the offer. But, I'm not telling anyone else where it is. The theory, you refer to, is the supposed set of facts that explain the absence of the box. Regardless of the explanation, it is still gone. As for the radar, the box was not intended to require radar in order to recover it. The only technology required would be a shovel.
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    Re: Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    Ok GaBnn3, If you insist to live the 1920's when the people used 'pick & shovel' to find a cache is you problem, I live 'today' 2005
    using the today's technology in order to save time and 'maybe' don't go to the jail.

    Good luck buddy!!

    Amona
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    Re: Dutch Schultz Catskill Treasure

    What intrigues me is the supposed tree carving is said to be 70+ years old.. I'm curious what type of pine tree this is and what the age of the tree is? Once we know this then we can ask ourselves how big was the tree in 1934? And how 70 years would have affected the carving? I have seen carvings on trees with a age of 20-30 years and these are VERY distorted. This tree carving just has me asking a lot of questions...



    Quote Originally Posted by GaBnn3
    The map, drawn by Schultz' bodyguard and entrusted to his buddy, Marty, as "insurance", was reported to have an X drawn on it. Consequently, everyone expected to see an X in real life. Think about that. This site is in a pine grove, between the Esopus Creek and Rt 28, in an area that would not have been disturbed for the length of time Schultz thought he would be in prison. In fact, except for the excavation of the box, the area has not been disturbed. A landmark makes this location easily found, even by a city boy, so a map wouldn't be necessary. The burial hole is equidistant between two pines, so the box could easily be recovered. The southernmost pine, now fallen, was marked with the carving shown above. In spite of the aging of the wood, the hand carving "1934" is still visible. Schultz was indicted in Jan '33 and went on the run, until he surrendered in Nov '34. Since my last visit, someone peeled the bark off this tree. Here my son holds the hanging bark against the trunk, as I attempted to make it appear more as I first found it. This carving was probably made by Schultz, himself, while Lulu dug the hole. Schulz was found not guilty, much to everyone's surprize, but he found himself faced with further charges. So, it is unlikely he recovered the box, until his fate could be determined. The box was to be his salvation, while incarcerated. Schultz refused to comply with the syndicate, and was killed. A rival learned of the map, and shortly after Schultz was shot, obtained the map during a botched hit on Marty. He then claimed that he couldn't understand the map, and gave up after a couple of tries. However, there is a feature, not mentioned above that makes this location easily located. Though not mentioned in the accounts on the map, it probably was, in fact, on the map. Therefore, I conclude that the rival, with the aid of the map, easily obtained the box, getting, not only, a piece of Schultz' former territory, but his personal fortune, as well. He would not have admitted obtaining it, since the gov't was nailing gangsters for criminal tax violations. The Liberty bonds, in the box, were undoubtedly destroyed so they couldn't be traced. As for the $1000 bills, diamonds, and $20 gold coins, they were very liquid, readily accepted in commerce, and could have provided for some lucky TH'er very well.
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    For those interested in the possible TV episode I referred to, be advised that "A Current Affair" has not followed up with the story, in spite of apparent interest at first. I may have spoiled their intended plot with the above info, which I posted following contact with them. I suspect that they wanted a put forth a story of continuing interest, not a closed book. As for the tree carving, I found what I found and can't add more. Anyone with doubts, it's beautiful country and a walk through the woods is never wasted time.
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