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    Searching for Roanoke's lost colony


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    "Concerned about their own future and plagued by a lack of food, the colonists persuaded White to return to England for help. He agreed, leaving behind 116 colonists and his newborn granddaughter Virginia Dare - the first English child born in the New World."

    I wonder if this Virginia Dare is who the state of Virginia was named after.

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    Yo! 8) Alright!!! ANOTHER one of my interest areas!!! Read LOTS of theories on this one, and have LOTS of family history/oral traditions about what happened to these folks... GEEEZE, oughta write a book... on "Indians" known as Croatoan BUT! were REALLY a tribe founded by Croatians (NOT Serbs) bought over by the Spanish earlier... Virginia Dare was adopted by that tribe, becoming White Dove... part of the tribe went north to Virginia via Dismal Swamp, settling in with the Chesapeake Tribal Nation, where Pocahontas as a young girl, saw White Dove (a few years older), a white "Indian" speaking her tribal language, as well as "broken English"; Pocahontas'(my "granny" several times over...) father, "King" Powhatan (ALSO my "gramp"...) and his CONFEDERACY wiped 'em out, later... NOT sure what happened to White Dove/Virginia Dare. Meanwhile. PART of the N.C. Tribe moved west to Robeson County area of N.C., to be assimilated into the Lumbee Nation... (blue-eyed "Indians"), some of who even LATER, moved north into NW N.C./SW VA, to become the MELUNGEON Nation... HA! Mountain People... VERY independent... etc. THAT is why Pocahontas was so "fascinated" by the Brit. John Smith... thought HE was a white "Indian"... I can only imagine how PO'ed Powhatan was, thinking he wiped 'em ALL out in Chesapeake area of Virginia, years earlier. John Smith was adopted into the Powhatan Tribe when Pocahontas "saved his life", John Smith FOREVER becoming HER property, according to "rituals" then... THAT is how ALL tribal nations became part of the CONFEDERACY, through the "adoption ritual". BTW, Commonwealth of Virginia was named after the "Virgin Queen" of England, Elizabeth... NOT Virginia Dare...

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    WOW....
    Sometime's there's not a right way, or a wrong way.
    Sometime's there's only one way.

    Where there is no economy, people will create one.

    No one rule fit's all

    '' 17 Tons of Gold in New Mexico " Thread started in 2005.

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    Re: Searching for Roanoak's lost colony

    Good post. I read about this yesterday on my aol mailpage and almost posted it myself. Interesting stuff.

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    Re: Searching for Roanoak's lost colony

    Absolutely fascinating. Would love to hear more but I guess we'll have to wait.

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    Yo! Gonna "post" a wee bit more and then gotta run up to the WONDERFUL Shenandoah Valley of Virginia to see my folks.. MAYBE, ask for MORE info about this stuff. White Dove is NOT to be confused with the GHOSTLY legend of WHITE DEER, from the Roanoke Island/Lost Colony drama (which I have seen - GREAT!!!). If you ever get a chance to go to the Outter Banks of N.C., do so!!! ANYWAY... the ghostly legend of WHITE DEER on Roanoke Island can be "googled" on the Internet... BUT! briefly shared here. There have been sightings of a "white deer" on Roanoke Island, which the "locals" say is the ghost of Virginia Dare... why "WHITE DEER"? She is white... and fast & fleeting like a deer... deer hunters know about that sort of thing. White Dove did love to run fast, as did Pocahontas (when they were young 'uns)... they even outran the boys of the tribes (guess I would too, if BOYS were after me... LOL). Last names of Melungeons connected with BOTH White Dove/Virginia Dare & Pocahontas are Bowling, Allen, Stratton... TOO many to "list". Pay attention to YOUR family history & "oral traditions"... share what you "know" here.

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    Yo! Back from Shenandoah Valley... that is all I can get on WHITE DOVE/Virginia Dare/Lost Colony Descendants; I know beale have 20 + years research info, and I like what I read from him, as it "ties" in with the general info I have. Gonna go to North Carolina "thread" and "alert" them of THIS "thread". Some things I CAN add are: pictures of Chief Sequoia of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation indicate influence from Turkey (nation, not bird...) in that he is wearing arab-looking headband, smoking what appears to be "Brit" type long-stem pipe; influence from BOTH Turkey and England. ALSO... the Cherokee-English alphabet that Sequoia created is on the internet... I have MY copy in my Cherokee file and beale is correct about the Cherokee Bible. Chief's English is probably from his family. With people from N.C. "on the ground" (ECU, ect.) looking into "folk-lore", family history, Native People (AKA "Indians") oral traditions, "tracking" the original "Trail of Tears" (being lost...), this "mystery" can be "solved", MAYBE... DUNNO.

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    Yo! Looks like we are gonna have to do some "back-tracking" re. this MYSTERY... Melungeons, Cherokee Nation, Lumbee Nation, ORIGINAL story of the Roanoke Colonists... WAR with Spain (reason why John White was late, getting back to the original Brits. - including his granddaughter, Virginia Dare)... LATER, to be known as WHITE DOVE. GOTTA be tribal legends in N.C. on this stuff... Chief of Eastern Band of Cherokee Nation (AKA) SEQUOYAH was born in Tennessee @ 1770; his mother was a Cherokee, & his father was a "white" trader... on page 19 of THE CHEROKEE by Emilie U. Lepthien. there is the "pic" of SEQUOYAH wearing "Turk Headband" & with a "Brit." long-stemmed pipe in his mouth... MUCH like my family's clay pipe from Williamsburg, Va. At the "removal" of 1830, MANY of the Eastern Band of Cherokee avoided it by "escaping" to the GREAT SMOKIES Mountain in N.C./Tennessee, and LATER, the MELUNGEONS did the same, to "secure" THEIR traditions, "way of life". etc. MORE names of Melungeons are Mullins, Gibson, see Cindy's List of Melungeon surnames... and READ/RESEARCH the stories of Melungeons from Wythe County, Va.

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    Yo! Thought this was interesting... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Colony

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    Great info Rebel, thanks.

    kenb

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    Yo! THANKS! kenb... you started this "thread"; family history? The reason why I am so interested is because I heard about part of the survivors of the "lost colony" living BRIEFLY in the Great Dismal, on a MOUND or HILL, that MAY be "seen" as a "boat", BEFORE getting with the Chesapeake Nation (later to be MOSTLY wiped out by the Powhatan Confederacy BEFORE the Brits came to Jamestown). If I was Ray, I would look again at the "image"... go to THAT point in the Great Dismal, and do some archeological excavation... BUT! Like I said, they were only there BRIEFLY. Further "up" in time, from the Native tribes in N.C. to Melungeons in NW N.C./SW Va. crossing over into Tennessee/Kentucky... you have the SWIFT SILVER MINES... YES! I think there is a "connection" between the Lost Colony and Swift's Silver Mines... and "beale" can tell you about what he has seen re. Swift's Silver Mines... ANYWAY... for MORE "sleepless nights".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel - KGC
    Glad you posted that web site being a Carrow descendant (Families of Interest) I have been keeping up with this including the DNA testing.
    1966 my song our place
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    That is cool....

    Dr. Ewen is the one who took over for Dr David Phelps (who did the digs on my hubby's property back in 1998, where the 10K gold signet ring was found and traced back to Abraham Kendall, which PRE-DATED the Lost Colony)....proof interaction with the Indians did occur prior to the Lost Colony. Hubby's property was also the center of the Croatain Indian Village.

    Fred Willard is the one who contacted my hubby first about doing digs on his property. At the time, Fred and his then-girlfriend, Barbara Midgette, were walking along the beach (on the sound side) of Buxton, when they started finding items of interest. That's when they made phone calls and how they were hooked up with Dr. Phelps. And that was the beginning of the digs started on hubby's property.

    Well, Dr. Phelps retired years later to Florida and Fred has been with the Lost Colony organization since then. We went to a symposium some years back. It was interesting to say the least.

    Last we talked to Fred, a few months back, they were still trying to work on doing DNA on a town, about 50 or so miles west of Buxton. There's a grave there for a Samuel Elk (his English name)...an Indian....who they believe many of these townfolks are descended from him and possibly the Lost Colony.

    As one story has it...when the ship came back and the colony was gone, they went looking and found a village with blonde hair/blue eyed indians...whether they were descendents of the Lost Colonists, I guess it will always remain one of those UNSOLVED MYSTERIES!!!

    They were even trying to connect the Lost Colonists to Jamestown. Dr. Kelso is heading the digs at Jamestown. They even found a signet ring there, but the signet ring found on hubby's property, they, last time we talked, could not find a connection to Jamestown.

    It would be interesting though, when and if this mystery is ever solved. I am intrigued by it.....

    Here's Fred Willard (on the left) with hubby 31 March 2001 when we went to the symposioum at the College of Albemarle (NC)....also a pic of some indian descendants whose tribe move to upstate NY long time ago with some folks from this village who they want to do DNA testing on. They could be descendents of Virginia Dare....but only time will tell.
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