Mystery of the Spanish coins that predate Christopher Columbus by 200 years

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-Utah-desert-predate-Columbus-200-years.html

Spanish treasure that predates the arrival of Columbus has been found in Utah
The two coins, one minted in Madrid, were uncovered at Glen Canyon park
One is dated to 1200s, long before Columbus first arrived on the coast in 1492

By Luke Andrews For Mailonline
Published: 06:02 EDT, 9 May 2019 |

Spanish treasure that predates the arrival of Columbus by 200 years has been found in a US national park.

The two coins, one minted in Madrid in 1660 and the other made around the 1200s, were found lying on the floor at Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, Utah.

Their presence in the desert remains unexplained and no information has been released about whether they were found with other artifacts.

Spanish explorers arrived in Mexico in the 1500s and began exploring north, although there is no record of them being in America at the time the coins were made.

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Spanish treasure that predates the arrival of Columbus by 200 years has been found in a US national park. (Pictured) The oldest coin found, which has been tentatively dated to the 1200s

Archaeologist Glen Harmon, from the national park service, said: 'A visitor was hiking in one of the canyons around here and he found these two strange things.'

He took them home and, after realizing they were old Spanish coins, returned them to the park.

'Based on the design we're very confident that one of the coins - the larger one - is called the 16 maravedi.

'Experts we were talking to identified it as being minted in Madrid, based on its marks, probably in 1662 or 1663, which puts it in the reign of Philip IV.

'The other coin - and we haven't got a confirmation back on this yet - looks like it might be something dating from the mid-to-late 13th-century.'

It's a mystery how such old coins have turned up in an area that wasn't visited by Spanish explorers until 1776.

However, archaeologists are working on four main theories.

They may have been left by early Spanish settlers or explorers, traded with native American tribes possibly in Mexico and then lost in the canyon, or someone brought a really old coin to the continent.

However Dr Rory Naismith, lecturer in Medieval British History at King's College London, speculated that the coins may have been dropped by a modern collector.

'It would be very strange, in a genuine early modern deposit, to have coins from such widely separated periods,' he said.

'These would not have been in circulation at the same time in Spain. With no further context, it is more likely that they are a modern loss: Basically dropped by a coin collector.

'This is not necessarily as unlikely as it sounds. A 19th-century shipwreck off the south coast of England was found to be full of ancient and medieval coins from the Mediterranean.

'Old coins were also a favored souvenir for soldiers returning from the Middle East and in the two World Wars.'

If the coins were dropped by early Spanish settlers, archaeologist Harmon said that's really exciting as there is little documentation of early Spanish settlement.

'The earliest Spanish presence in the Glen Canyon area is 1776 when Father Atanasio Dominguez and Father Silvestre Velez de Escalante came through.

'But they were nowhere near the area where these coins were found, that we know of.'

'Does this point to an early Spanish presence that is unknown or really poorly documented? That's one possibility.'

However, it's also possible that the coins were traded with a native American tribe and then later lost at the canyon.

'That would also be really cool just to see that kind of connection between the early Spanish and native Americans at that time,' said Harmon.

But instead the old coins may have been brought across the Atlantic long after they were minted.

'If that really is a 13th-century coin, that does not indicate 13th-century Spanish were over here,' said Harmon.

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That indicates that someone brought over a coin that was really old even then.'

A final theory is that the coins were dropped by a tourist.

As they were found among litter archaeologists aren't ruling it out, although they said that it seems unlikely.

Columbus set sail for the Americas on August 3, 1492, firing the starting gun for European colonization of the area.

The first Europeans are recorded in Utah as part of the 1765 Spanish expedition led by explorer Juan Antonio de Rivera. He claimed the area for Spain and found the Colorado river.

Then in 1776, Franciscan priests led by Escalante and Dominguez came through as they tried to find a route from Santa Fe to California, and then came back after their trip was unsuccessful.

In the early 1800s fur trappers looking for new hunting grounds show up in the area, and Salt Lake City is founded by Jim Bridger.

However, these coins may come from a previously undocumented expedition. There were gold deposits along the Colorado river at this time, and an interest in finding a route to California, leaving scope for a possible further expedition.

The coins were found near the Halls Crossing Marina on Lake Powell. However, the exact location is being kept secret by park officials until they can check there for more artifacts.

The park is concerned about metal detectorists coming there to search for treasure, despite this activity being prohibited within its boundaries.
 

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Holy moly that's freaking treasure
 

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SUPER cool read... Thank you for this one.
 

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Well, we find some Roman and Byzantine coins here on the East Coast, which are much older. Coin collectors gone wrong.
 

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Somebody probably lost it a long time after Columbus. Treasure stories abound. We just have to be careful putting 2 and 2 together and getting 400. Case in point, I dug two Roman coins in NJ, apparently they were brought here in the ballast of WWII ships and the sand was dumped along with the coins. A 14th century silver coin from a 16th century home in MD. Now a corn field. Money is still money. A Byzantine coin from the 6th century from an old long gone plantation in SC. That one was probably property of an 18th century coin collector. We found nothing on the site post 1800. I dug an ugly 1945 gold Mexican coin off a beach in NJ once, in the high sand. Looks like it had been dropped the day before, and may well have. Tourists.
 

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The UK’s Daily Mail is a notorious source of ‘mystery’ stories which are usually incomplete, misleading, and lack any follow-up when other facts emerge that undermine any aspect of sensationalism. The claims for “found deep in the Utah desert” and “found among litter” don’t really properly describe the circumstances of the finds.

An NPS team subsequently visited the find location at Lake Powell and reported that the coins were found “in a scatter of modern houseboat trash that included 15 United States coins dating from 1974 to 2016”, that they were found “in a canyon bottom, a setting unlikely to preserve ancient deposits”; and that there was a “lack of nearby places having potential to contain ancient deposits”.

The coins themselves have nevertheless been verified as authentic, with the assistance of Spanish coin experts Fernando Vela Cossio and Luis Fernando Abril Urmente.
 

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No doubt they are authentic, as in old. There are plenty of those still around for sale. They are inexpensive. The Roman coins I found in NJ would probably be maybe $4 each today. At that late 18th century site in SC where we dug some, they would have cost that collector in today's money probably (guessing) $40-50 each or so. Metal detectors hadn't been invented when that old house burned and folks were struggling harder to survive in the western world then more than now.
 

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according to recent testing the copper for a fair amount of the the bronze in the Bronze age according to metallurgist came from........ MI UP... ancient mines have been found so a few coins, yeah could have happened....
 

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