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  1. #16
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    I know what you are saying, but with the exception of the one thin thread of Emil Holdahl, the two stories have completely different casts of characters.

    Also, while some of the information has already been made public, some has not. The has not part points in a very different direction than Villa. I don't know if it will come out in Clarence's Books or another one or not. Martian says it is ridiculous because he knows that information. I can't say because of confidentialities. He may or may not choose to tell.

    Mike
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  2. #17
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    IMHO, 17 Tons, Hembrillo Basin, Organ Mountains, Caballo Mountains, Cookes Peak, Santo Nino de Atocha Mountain and possibly others, all of which 'came to life' in the 1930's, are related. I agree with Peerless: Monster, we'd like to hear what you have to say.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  3. #18
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    This question was mostly answered on the other thread. Alex referred to it in a post he had made. He stated that Doc Noss had maps and papers that pointed to six other locations in the general area. There was a name on the map that points away from Villa.

    I don't know for certain the answer you seek will be in a book or not, but I suspect so, because it provides a reason for certain conclusions that have been reached regarding VP.

    Best-Mike
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  4. #19
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by gollum
    This question was mostly answered on the other thread. Alex referred to it in a post he had made. He stated that Doc Noss had maps and papers that pointed to six other locations in the general area. There was a name on the map that points away from Villa.

    I don't know for certain the answer you seek will be in a book or not, but I suspect so, because it provides a reason for certain conclusions that have been reached regarding VP.

    Best-Mike
    Yes, I know he made a reference to maps/documents that Noss allegedly possessed. If memory serves, the Chandler book also mentions Noss burning a stack of paper documents he retrieved from Victorio Peak that somehow related to the owners of the gold. If such documents exist, one would think that they were not destroyed.

    Another acquaintance, close to all this Southern New Mexico intrigue for generations, also discussed with me multiple major caches, all dating Pre-Columbian. Six plus one locations equals seven. Interesting. The answers to the questions that interest me the most will certainly not be found in a book.

    Interestingly, another acquaintance, totally ambivalent about the Noss legend, claims that, regarding the major caches, 'Villa knew something, and had a map'. I've been trying to get the guy to expound on this for years, but he hasn't opened up yet. Maybe just whiskey talk.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  5. #20

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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    IMHO, 17 Tons, Hembrillo Basin, Organ Mountains, Caballo Mountains, Cookes Peak, Santo Nino de Atocha Mountain and possibly others, all of which 'came to life' in the 1930's, are related. I agree with Peerless: Monster, we'd like to hear what you have to say.
    Springfield, do you know of an account of the 17 tons that predates 1952 ?

    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  6. #21
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    IMHO, 17 Tons, Hembrillo Basin, Organ Mountains, Caballo Mountains, Cookes Peak, Santo Nino de Atocha Mountain and possibly others, all of which 'came to life' in the 1930's, are related. I agree with Peerless: Monster, we'd like to hear what you have to say.
    Springfield, do you know of an account of the 17 tons that predates 1952 ?

    Actually, I don't; but 17 Tons is one legend I haven't put much effort into either, I guess because the most-accepted story never made sense to me. The hook for me is the timing, the 1930's. Also, it's the only one of the '1930's NM gold cave' stories (one version puts the gold in a 4 Corners cave) that does not occur in southern NM, where I live and have easier access to.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  7. #22
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Spring,

    I will say one thing; Doc did supposedly burn a lot of documents and letters to destroy the possible descendants of some of the owners from claiming ownership. The one document that he did not burn, that showed the locations of the other caches (and their owner) was lost many years after his death. It may still be floating around somewhere right now in someone's private collection.

    Best-Mike
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  8. #23
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by gollum
    Spring,

    I will say one thing; Doc did supposedly burn a lot of documents and letters to destroy the possible descendants of some of the owners from claiming ownership. The one document that he did not burn, that showed the locations of the other caches (and their owner) was lost many years after his death. It may still be floating around somewhere right now in someone's private collection.

    Best-Mike
    Quite a collectable, for sure. It's hard to imagine something like this ever being lost. It's interesting to speculate on the history and capabilities of those who might own several caches, only one of which was at Victorio Peak.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







  9. #24

    Jul 2007
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?


    [/quote]

    Actually, I don't; but 17 Tons is one legend I haven't put much effort into either, I guess because the most-accepted story never made sense to me. The hook for me is the timing, the 1930's. Also, it's the only one of the '1930's NM gold cave' stories (one version puts the gold in a 4 Corners cave) that does not occur in southern NM, where I live and have easier access to.
    [/quote]

    Well you have been stomping around out there for sometime, so do you think it is reasonable to say that the 17 tons story was born with the 1952 hearings ?
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  10. #25
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    ......Well you have been stomping around out there for sometime, so do you think it is reasonable to say that the 17 tons story was born with the 1952 hearings ?
    I would say that unless there is evidence to the contrary, the 1952 disclosures may be the first mention of this legend in the public domain. Of course, whether or not this is true has no bearing on the credibleness of the events that allegedly occured in the 1930's in the 4 Corners region. If those events did occur, they could have been kept under the radar in the interim. Like I've said, this story is not at the top of my priority list and my research is lacking.
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Many great stories. Best of luck in finding treasure out west.

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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    What did the Army do with the treasures that they took out of the cave?

  13. #28
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffDaddy
    ....Doc Noss hauled a pickup load of gold bars,back to Oklahoma,and buried them,in a very special place.
    Some day,I hope to abscond with them.

    David
    'Some day'? What are you waiting for?
    ​Adios, amigos - it's been interesting.







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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Many of us readers enjoy reading about this treasure. Thanks for the updates.

  15. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Peerless,

    Martian Monster has been closely involved with the Victorio Peak Story since 1954. There aren't many people alive that know more about the subject than him.

    Monkeyman,

    As previously stated, the Four Corners Story is faaar away from Victorio Peak (even though they're in the same state). As to the veracity of the Four Corners Story, several of the people that sat on the Grand Jury Trial regarding the FCT moved to the area of Shiprock, NM after the hearing was over to search for the treasure. That says a lot.

    Mike
    Been out of action for some time Mike, over a year since I posed the question and no answer ? Theoretically you could call that ridiculous ?



    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    I know what you are saying, but with the exception of the one thin thread of Emil Holdahl, the two stories have completely different casts of characters.

    Mike
    One thin thread ? Holmdahl and Noss ? What would improve the "cast of characters" ? How about Douthit ? I could quote you to enhance the cast. Noss was good friends with Douthit, Noss new where Douthits treasure was.

    Where was it Douthit moved to again after Noss's death ?
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

 

 
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