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  1. #21
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield
    IMHO, 17 Tons, Hembrillo Basin, Organ Mountains, Caballo Mountains, Cookes Peak, Santo Nino de Atocha Mountain and possibly others, all of which 'came to life' in the 1930's, are related. I agree with Peerless: Monster, we'd like to hear what you have to say.
    Springfield, do you know of an account of the 17 tons that predates 1952 ?

    Actually, I don't; but 17 Tons is one legend I haven't put much effort into either, I guess because the most-accepted story never made sense to me. The hook for me is the timing, the 1930's. Also, it's the only one of the '1930's NM gold cave' stories (one version puts the gold in a 4 Corners cave) that does not occur in southern NM, where I live and have easier access to.
    "The gods were smiling when you were born. Now they're laughing."​ Chinese fortune cookie

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  3. #22
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Spring,

    I will say one thing; Doc did supposedly burn a lot of documents and letters to destroy the possible descendants of some of the owners from claiming ownership. The one document that he did not burn, that showed the locations of the other caches (and their owner) was lost many years after his death. It may still be floating around somewhere right now in someone's private collection.

    Best-Mike
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  4. #23
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by gollum
    Spring,

    I will say one thing; Doc did supposedly burn a lot of documents and letters to destroy the possible descendants of some of the owners from claiming ownership. The one document that he did not burn, that showed the locations of the other caches (and their owner) was lost many years after his death. It may still be floating around somewhere right now in someone's private collection.

    Best-Mike
    Quite a collectable, for sure. It's hard to imagine something like this ever being lost. It's interesting to speculate on the history and capabilities of those who might own several caches, only one of which was at Victorio Peak.
    "The gods were smiling when you were born. Now they're laughing."​ Chinese fortune cookie

  5. #24

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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?


    [/quote]

    Actually, I don't; but 17 Tons is one legend I haven't put much effort into either, I guess because the most-accepted story never made sense to me. The hook for me is the timing, the 1930's. Also, it's the only one of the '1930's NM gold cave' stories (one version puts the gold in a 4 Corners cave) that does not occur in southern NM, where I live and have easier access to.
    [/quote]

    Well you have been stomping around out there for sometime, so do you think it is reasonable to say that the 17 tons story was born with the 1952 hearings ?
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  6. #25
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67
    ......Well you have been stomping around out there for sometime, so do you think it is reasonable to say that the 17 tons story was born with the 1952 hearings ?
    I would say that unless there is evidence to the contrary, the 1952 disclosures may be the first mention of this legend in the public domain. Of course, whether or not this is true has no bearing on the credibleness of the events that allegedly occured in the 1930's in the 4 Corners region. If those events did occur, they could have been kept under the radar in the interim. Like I've said, this story is not at the top of my priority list and my research is lacking.
    "The gods were smiling when you were born. Now they're laughing."​ Chinese fortune cookie

  7. #26
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Many great stories. Best of luck in finding treasure out west.

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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    What did the Army do with the treasures that they took out of the cave?

  9. #28
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffDaddy
    ....Doc Noss hauled a pickup load of gold bars,back to Oklahoma,and buried them,in a very special place.
    Some day,I hope to abscond with them.

    David
    'Some day'? What are you waiting for?
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    Re: Are Victorio Peak & Four Corners Gold Possably Related Stories?

    Many of us readers enjoy reading about this treasure. Thanks for the updates.

  11. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    Peerless,

    Martian Monster has been closely involved with the Victorio Peak Story since 1954. There aren't many people alive that know more about the subject than him.

    Monkeyman,

    As previously stated, the Four Corners Story is faaar away from Victorio Peak (even though they're in the same state). As to the veracity of the Four Corners Story, several of the people that sat on the Grand Jury Trial regarding the FCT moved to the area of Shiprock, NM after the hearing was over to search for the treasure. That says a lot.

    Mike
    Been out of action for some time Mike, over a year since I posed the question and no answer ? Theoretically you could call that ridiculous ?



    Quote Originally Posted by gollum View Post
    I know what you are saying, but with the exception of the one thin thread of Emil Holdahl, the two stories have completely different casts of characters.

    Mike
    One thin thread ? Holmdahl and Noss ? What would improve the "cast of characters" ? How about Douthit ? I could quote you to enhance the cast. Noss was good friends with Douthit, Noss new where Douthits treasure was.

    Where was it Douthit moved to again after Noss's death ?
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  12. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless67 View Post
    Been out of action for some time Mike, over a year since I posed the question and no answer ? Theoretically you could call that ridiculous ?





    One thin thread ? Holmdahl and Noss ? What would improve the "cast of characters" ? How about Douthit ? I could quote you to enhance the cast. Noss was good friends with Douthit, Noss new where Douthits treasure was.

    Where was it Douthit moved to again after Noss's death ?
    he moved to the San Diego area and assumed the identity of his dead cousin i believe.

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    Do any of you know what the government did with all the treasures that the Army took out of Victorio Peak?

  14. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut_Danny View Post
    Do any of you know what the government did with all the treasures that the Army took out of Victorio Peak?
    Some say it was taken to Fort Knox. I guess there's no way for us to know for sure.

  15. #34

    Jul 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrook View Post
    he moved to the San Diego area and assumed the identity of his dead cousin i believe.
    Affraid you are wrong there jackroot. Although yeah it was California.
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  16. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut_Danny View Post
    Do any of you know what the government did with all the treasures that the Army took out of Victorio Peak?
    I dont think the army did anything with it.
    You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger

  17. #36
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    The Army did take the treasure out of the caves. Good luck.

  18. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connecticut Sam View Post
    The Army did take the treasure out of the caves. Good luck.

    soldiers might have hid one or two to go back to get later.

 

 
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