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  1. #3361
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    Sir

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    It looks like a treasure hunter had found the treasures and left the box behind. Sorry for the man who found the box.
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  2. #3362
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    Trust is a precious commodity - seldom found! For myself, I have been extremely lucky in that aspect - not because I am clever picking partners, it just happened over time somehow.
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    A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine

  3. #3363
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    The facts behind the factoids
    I certainly don’t want to speak unkindly of the dead. I never met NP and for all I know, he was a great guy. However, based solely on his TNet posts on the VP threads and also on the LDM threads, I wouldn’t put any faith in anything he claimed. I suspect that there was never a buried box where you were looking. It’s my opinion that NP was, like many of us, gullible, and passed along faulty information gathered from who knows where. A review of some of his past claims may bring you to the same conclusion.

    I would be very suspicious of your partner’s story. None of it makes sense. You likely haven’t lost anything in your absence except a seemingly very flaky partner. Rest easy and move on - you’re probably better off.
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as itís profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." Frank Zappa

  4. #3364
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcfia View Post
    I certainly don’t want to speak unkindly of the dead. I never met NP and for all I know, he was a great guy. However, based solely on his TNet posts on the VP threads and also on the LDM threads, I wouldn’t put any faith in anything he claimed. I suspect that there was never a buried box where you were looking. It’s my opinion that NP was, like many of us, gullible, and passed along faulty information gathered from who knows where. A review of some of his past claims may bring you to the same conclusion.

    I would be very suspicious of your partner’s story. None of it makes sense. You likely haven’t lost anything in your absence except a seemingly very flaky partner. Rest easy and move on - you’re probably better off.
    Steve

    From what i remember , NP was fault only in the picture of the mission which he stated it's ruins are close to Burns ranch at the south end of Superstitions Mt.. But also then , the matter was not how the mission looked like , but if there ever existed one . Some people lost the esence of the story because were " hungry " to prove somebody wrong . Also that event , is not a motive to take all the other things NP wrote with a grain of salt .
    All of us , along our treasure hunting " career " , have heard a lot of stories , some common and some " tall " . There don't exist any formula to distinguish the real tales from the " tall " , but the only way to the truth is the " boots on the ground ".
    Can you prove , except the mission pic , how what another stories wrote NP were tall tales ?
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    Marius

    There are many doors in and out of the mnts,but none so hidden as the ones in front of you.
    Do you possess the knowledge of the spirit to let you enter them? NP

    The truth is the truth,no matter how you look at it,and in every treasure story and legend there is a grain of truth . It's up to your spirit and heart to know the difference. NP





  5. #3365
    pt
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmar View Post
    Steve

    From what i remember , NP was fault only in the picture of the mission which he stated it's ruins are close to Burns ranch at the south end of Superstitions Mt.. But also then , the matter was not how the mission looked like , but if there ever existed one . Some people lost the esence of the story because were " hungry " to prove somebody wrong . Also that event , is not a motive to take all the other things NP wrote with a grain of salt .
    All of us , along our treasure hunting " career " , have heard a lot of stories , some common and some " tall " . There don't exist any formula to distinguish the real tales from the " tall " , but the only way to the truth is the " boots on the ground ".
    Can you prove , except the mission pic , how what another stories wrote NP were tall tales ?
    Now Marius, you know what the Greek Skeptics claimed - nothing is provable and for peace of mind we shouldn’t try too hard to prove anything. Especially treasure tales.

    Yes, that mission claim certainly come to mind. Also, there were claims placing the LDM in CA which NP refused to support when challenged, as I recall. He also made a wild allegation some years ago regarding some sort of conspiracy in AZ (for which I’ve forgotten the specifics), but when I asked for an explanation and more details, I was ignored. That’s all well and good - I don’t care one way or another about any of it - but it shows a pattern and affects one’s general credibility, IMO. This stuff is in the old posts if you care to wade through them.

    Re the Caballos - again, a questionable map, a few photos and no more information or explanations. As I said, NP might have been a great guy to chat with, but I wouldn’t personally invest a lot of effort in what he’s said in public.

    Most treasure stories are tall tales. People who have, or think they have, true information about hidden treasure will never reveal it. That’s simple human nature. Anyone who invests serious “boots on the ground” time based on tall tales is either fooling himself or doesn’t care if his information is useful. No problem if all you’re looking for is an adventure.
    "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as itís profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater." Frank Zappa

  6. #3366
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    gentlemen, say what you wish, and it'll fit us, but I defy ayone to prove anything incorrect about his "lil map", it is correct with data that he couldn't possibly know at that time, I do, and would like to thank him through his widow.
    Last edited by Real of Tayopa; Apr 16, 2018 at 06:19 PM.
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  7. #3367

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    WR,
    go to the site and see if there is a hole dug, that will give you a better idea. Not sure what kind of wooden box would still be in good shape after being buried for all those years. Seems like it would be rotted. But im new to all this.
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  8. #3368
    us
    I am not a wildpig, just like to shoot and eat them.

    Jul 2015
    Eastern Oklahoma
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    I am planning a trip to the Caballos in September. Do you have any maps for that area, or suggestions on where to look for nuggets or artifacts?

  9. #3369
    us
    Jul 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    gentlemen, say what you wish, and it'll fit us, but I defy ayone to prove anything incorrect about his "lil map", it is correct with data that he couldn't possibly know at that time, I do, and would like to thank him through his widow.
    The thing is, the burden of proof is not on US, it was on NP. We didn't present that map as evidence of anything, he did. When person makes a claim the burden of proof is on them alone, not on people they are trying to convince. Its a very interesting map, but nothing so far has come to light to substantiate it.
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  10. #3370
    it
    Sep 2016
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    hi uncle, the map speaks for itself. The map contains details that only I was privy to at the time, regardless who, or where it was presented it was consisted of facts, facts that were unknown to the general public. as ffar as I know, were only known to me
    Last edited by Real of Tayopa; Jul 14, 2018 at 12:11 PM.

  11. #3371
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    Quote Originally Posted by Real of Tayopa View Post
    hi uncle, the map speaks for itself. The map contains details that only I was privy to at the time, regardless who, or where it was presented it was consisted of facts, facts that were unknown to the general public. as ffar as I know, were only known to me
    Reminder...........
    The "map" was first posted by the OP....Not Peralta.....in post # 20 of this thread.
    DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains
    Your posts which immediately follow # 20, tell a different story IMO.
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

  12. #3372
    it
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    Regardless, it is as accurate a map as they nade in 1600 a- 1800's and is accurate It put the various mines in the proper Sequence and put the route using the Rio Norte as a system of moving materiel to Rome. I cannot answer as to posts made prior to my entrance, but if I rembeer correctly, he mentioned that it came from doc Noss's papers which were removed from the poush found with the dead Priestl's elather pouch.'
    Last edited by Real of Tayopa; Jul 15, 2018 at 02:32 PM.

  13. #3373
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    More likely Noss made it himself, or copied it from one made by another treasure hunter who believed Spanish treasure and lost mines from popular literature could be found in all of those places.
    That they were all connected in some way.
    Given NP's attempted deception re: the photo that he tried to pass off as "proof" of a Jesuit Mission near the Burns Ranch, he might have even made the map himself.
    Although I have a bit of interest in the map, due to it's Aztec symbology, I don't consider it as good evidence for the existence and location of anything real.
    Anything more is grasping at straws IMO.
    Hell,you ain't never too old to look!

  14. #3374
    it
    Sep 2016
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    some hiker, who ever made it, put the Tayopa Mines in prospective and was the first one to draw the camino to the Caballo mt correctly, . The 1800's reference is when New Mexico was a civi lwar prize and probably That which Jesuits gave up on recovering anything. for a great while I have a copy of the document referred at Aztec object is a Bishops sta,s, I post on the Atlantis thread als.ff.
    Last edited by Real of Tayopa; Jul 15, 2018 at 11:25 PM.

  15. #3375
    us
    May 2012
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    Some time back someone posted 5 pages of hand drawn maps by Doc.
    Each map was drawn by Doc and the poster said they led to personal accumulation spots of Docs.
    1 page was a listing of marks carved into the door frame of the Rock house and it said it was found behind door frame 5/15/93.

    Can anyone tell me who posted these?
    I have solved one of them completely and would like to advise.
    The one I solved does not lead to any treasure because it is completely inside the missle range boundaries.

    However, it does prove to me that these "maps" are real in that every single location on the one I solved was very accurate.
    Someone with knowledge spent time putting this map together and was careful in every detail.
    So its encouraging to try and resolve one of the others that does show treasure locations knowing that they are not complete nonsense. Or at least the one I solved was not.

    For some reason I did not note who the maps came from like i normally do.
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