Diamonds Real or Fake?

[Golden Wizard King]

A person contacted me in hopes of finding a buyer for a few supposed precious gemstones they say they unearthed in Asia. This is the only photo I have at the moment. Can anyone comment on the cut of these stones? Is it a more modern cut or would something like that have been done before the 1940s?

 

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[smokeythecat]

Red-coat is right. Let the buyer beware.

 

[Golden Wizard King]

Someone with experience may be able to answer my main question which was about the cut of the stones. I realize I'll have to get them tested. Remember they are in Asia. So before I spend even a cent on any of this, I'm trying to mine what little information I can. These people are very poor. They can't afford all that. But I know them well and this happens to be in a place where such a thing is possible. So just relax. I don't expect to reach any conclusions here.

 

[Golden Wizard King]

Red-coat is right. Let the buyer beware.

Yes, he did mention a few painfully obvious facts. Thanks.

 

[Red-Coat]

Someone with experience could answer my main question which was about the cut of the stones. I realize I'll have to get them tested. Remember they are in Asia. So before I spend even a cent on any of this, I'm trying to mine what little information I can. These people are very poor. They can't afford all that. But I know them well and this happens to be in a place where such a thing is possible. So just relax. I don't expect to reach any conclusions here.

I’m perfectly relaxed thank you.

Between about 1890-1930, the standard cut for diamonds was what is known as the “Old European Cut” (or the less showy “Old Mine Cut”) and thereafter was progressively overtaken by the “Brilliant Cut” (first developed in 1919). Your picture is nowhere near good enough to count the facets on the crowns nor see the size of the table at the centre of the faceting, nor the height of the crown. There’s also no view of the pavilion below the girdle and the faceting thereof to enable those to be counted. So, you’re asking an unanswerable question based on what you have shown.

Even without better pictures the potential simple answers are: “yes, if that’s a brilliant cut then it could well be from before the 1940s or after the 1940s”; and “yes, if it’s an old European cut it’s likely to be from before the 1940s but could still be later, depending on where it was cut”. Neither answer will help you determine the truthfulness of the story you have been given, nor address the “real or fake?” question posed in the title of your thread.

 

[Mackaydon]

Nor is the clarity or the carat weight of each stone given.
Don.......

 

[pepperj]

Rule #1-Fake until proven otherwise.
Rule#2-Nevwr trust the paper documentation if not a recognized company.
Rule#3-They all claim the worse and hope for the best.
There's no way of determining anything from a poor quality picture.
Then again your right it seems, as you believe the story.
Your $$$ the advise given by RC is well understood.

 

[Back-of-the-boat]

If you know them well as you say, then you should be able to trust them and why would the age or cut matter, just a test to see if they are real is the only thing that would matter. If you are questioning if they are real or fake diamonds over the internet with a picture you have answered your own question as to if you believe these people.

 

[smokeythecat]

Unless they are dirt cheap, I would stay away unless it is a reputable dealer and comes with a GIA certificate. The cut is ok, but they could be about anything, cut glass, cubic zirconia, quartz, anything.

 

[bradyboy]

BTW
the fact that your stones are being secured in a case using a common household sponge split and trimmed to fit stones and case wont help your case
IMO
Brady

 

[xr7ator]

You are not here to reach any conclusions of whether the stones are real or fake, yet the title of the thread is "diamonds real or fake?".

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Did you guys forget our rules, or just choosing to ignore them?

Posts deleted, highly recommend it not be repeated, this is NOT how we treat a new member!

"Keep the discussion civil, respectful and on topic."

"Don't attack, provoke, insult, or deliberately offend anyone"

 

[Golden Wizard King]

You are not here to reach any conclusions of whether the stones are real or fake, yet the title of the thread is "diamonds real or fake?".

I didn't say I wasn't here to find answers. I said I didn't expect to reach a conclusion. Playing word games with you people gets boring pretty quick I gotta tell you.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I didn't say I wasn't here to find answers. I said I didn't expect to reach a conclusion. Playing word games with you people gets boring pretty quick I gotta tell you.

GWK, please read our rules, link in my signature, if you post something and you feel member or members are insulting you or attacking you please report it and let a moderator handle it.

Everyone else in this thread has been here long enough to know our rules.

 

[Golden Wizard King]

Unless they are dirt cheap, I would stay away unless it is a reputable dealer and comes with a GIA certificate. The cut is ok, but they could be about anything, cut glass, cubic zirconia, quartz, anything.

The stones were allegedly found buried and encased in this concrete. The guys who are telling me about this and I spent months operating together. You're right they are probably fake but its worth a shot. I personally know two guys who recovered diamonds in SE Asia and went from rags to riches over night. So I wanted to entertain the idea. Thank you for commenting.

 

[ARC]

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The stones were allegedly found buried, encased in this concrete. The guys who are telling me about this and I spent months operating together. You're right they are probably fake but its worth a shot. I personally know two guys who recovered diamonds in SE Asia and went from rags to riches over night. So I wanted to entertain the idea. Thank you for commenting.

Concrete you say... ?

Interesting story and now this encasement scenario... any way to get clear pictures of this "stone" item... marking etc.

Also... I will point out a few initial things you can look at with a decent magnifying glass... when looking at each... look for how "clear" they each are... if they are all completely ... o mean absolutely clear... this is suspect.

IF you see inclusions... this would be a good INITIAL sign.

 

[smokeythecat]

A $20 diamond tester will tell if the white ones are diamonds. Amazon and Ebay sell them. The colored stones need a jeweler who knows their stuff or a gemologist to know for sure. I got one of the diamond testers and they work great. Of course, you have to get the stone in contact with the device!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Unfortunately the $20.00 testers can't tell if they are moissanite stone or real diamond....

 

[ARC]

I will let you in on a little secret.

Diamond testers can also tell you if many suspected stones are stones and not glass.

 

[GoDeep]

Meta data analysis shows that picture has been floating around the internet for years, so, twofold, the "stones" you'd be getting are not those in the pics and by default, won't be natural.

Seems like every time we meet, I got nothin' but bad news for you. I'm sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it's worth... you've made a believer out of me. Good luck, kiddo.