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    Re: Button Date Help

    Updated list of US Great Seal button backmarks:


    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- (WWI)
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO (WWI)
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON (& CO.) * S.F. *
    14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
    15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*
    16- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. (WWI)
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe (fl)
    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe
    That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902. 
    That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ... 

    The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc.  Do you have a copy of Tice's book?  If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book.  If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you.  Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers. 

    Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you. Time to hit the sack...


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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe (fl)
    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe
    That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error. If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.
    That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ...

    The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc. Do you have a copy of Tice's book? If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book. If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you. Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers.

    Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you. Time to hit the sack...


    -Buckles
    I think it should say 1855- 1965. Possibly a typo.



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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe (fl)
    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe
    That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error. If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.
    That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ...

    The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc. Do you have a copy of Tice's book? If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book. If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you. Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers.

    Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you. Time to hit the sack...


    -Buckles
    I think it should say 1855- 1965. Possibly a typo.
    Could be, but I just use the books when I can. I don't trust the net. Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.
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    Civil War ID Disc
    1826 2 Reales
    Louisiana Pelican Civil War Button
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    Eagle "I" Coat Button
    Colonial silver shoe buckle piece
    Boxlock Pistol hammer plate
    1865 2 Cent Piece
    1788, 1819 and one dateless Half Reale
    1848-O and 1854 Half Dimes
    1842-O, 1858, 1876-S and 1888 Seated Dimes
    1898 Hong Kong Dime Silver Coin (Queen Victoria)
    1905-O Barber Dime
    1942 and 1944-D Washington Quarters
    2 Silver "War Nickels"
    Silver "Indian Head" badge
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    V Nackles, Beefalo knuckles and Gaw Gag

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  5. #20
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy

    Could be, but I just use the books when I can. I don't trust the net. Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.
    ok thanks

  6. #21
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by BuckleBoy
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by Moe (fl)
    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe
    That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error. If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.
    That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ...

    The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc. Do you have a copy of Tice's book? If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book. If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you. Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers.

    Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you. Time to hit the sack...


    -Buckles
    I think it should say 1855- 1965. Possibly a typo.
    Could be, but I just use the books when I can. I don't trust the net. Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.
    ALSO MISPELLED WATERBURY (WATURBURY)

  7. #22

    Re: Button Date Help

    Great seal made in 1902, and used a long time after that. Nice buttons.
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Heres the list so far of Great Seal Button backmarks.

    Note may be some errors. If anyone can add to it post the pic.





    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
    14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
    15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*
    16- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI

  9. #24
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Added more backmarks. AM. BUTTON CO. NEWARK, N.J. and C KENYON CO. NEW YORK


    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
    14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
    15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
    16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
    17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
    18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK WWI- 1930
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Another Great Seal button to add to the list.

    C KENYON CO. NEW YORK
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  11. #26
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    Re: Button Date Help

    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
    14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
    15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
    16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
    17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
    18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK pre-WWI- 1930
    19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Jun 19, 2014 at 01:15 PM.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    definetily a good buy for a $1.00.
    ALLEN

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,235071.0.html

  14. #29
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by IronSpike
    Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

    http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,235071.0.html
    Yes I think its another variation. I will add it. Thanks. (Late for work now).

  15. #30
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    Re: Button Date Help

    I added it.


    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
    7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
    14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
    15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
    16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
    17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
    18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK WWI- 1930
    19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
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