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    Great Seal Button Backmarks Help

    I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available anywhere. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have over 100 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark or backmark variation not listed please post the pic and Ill add it. The thread is already so long its not necessary to add anything already pictured. Thanks.

    This is how it all started:



    I bought 2 bags of small Great Seal of US buttons for a buck at a flea market. Can someone help me date these backmarks? I believe they are all post 1902. I cant find anything else online.

    1- Top row SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- Bottom CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.
    4- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.
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    Re: Button Date Help

    no replies?


    My City Button Works may be WWI but the Scovills have me confused. According to internet research, this backmark is documented as a 1850-1865 production mark.

    http://cgi.ebay.com.my/SCOVILL-Mf-g-...mZ250355537335


    I am pleasantly surprised that these NY buttons may be "rare" WWI and mine are mint.

    http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=8&gl=us
    http://cgi.ebay.com/WWI-VINTAGE-MILI...09114002r19699

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    Re: Button Date Help

    That is a seriously nice haul of buttons. BigCH
    I know so little about buttons, but i'm learning all the time from the learned here on TNet.


    Mike

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by trikikiwi
    That is a seriously nice haul of buttons. BigCH
    I know so little about buttons, but i'm learning all the time from the learned here on TNet.


    Mike
    I figured what the hell for a buck. I thought they were modern and I have been tossing them in the surf to see were they end up in my thixotropic sand movement testing. I didnt know they were old until I noticed the different backmarks. Im still trying to get a date on the Scovills and Waterburys. Somebody here should know.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    wow you could throw a few my way! Instead of wasting em in the surf!
    Now you know zlincolns are better at that test than good buttons.. LOL
    J2
    Hopefully some one with Button knowledge galore will answer you!

    J.J.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    well, lets see if we can get these ID"D

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    Re: Button Date Help

    these were used from wwI thru wwII until now. there are afew in the button book but for the most part they are new.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunme
    these were used from wwI thru wwII until now. there are afew in the button book but for the most part they are new.
    Yes, I realize they are all post 1902. I would like to better date the backmarks. Does your book say anything?

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    Re: Button Date Help

    dasalottabuttons
    I just hunted your favorite park.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Since I started this thread, I have found several other Great Seal button backmarks. Here is a list so far (may have errors)


    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- (WWI)
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO (WWI)
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13-ARNSTEIN, SIMON & CO. S.F.

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Nice find for a buck. HH

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    Re: Button Date Help

    Big, I don't know anything about buttons...but know a good deal when I see one. Abuck?? WOW.

    Rick


    "Now, if I could just find that stash of gold coins"

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    Re: Button Date Help

    I added a few more to the list of Great Seal Buttons.

    1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
    2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
    3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
    4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- (WWI)
    5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
    6- US PRODUCTS CORP
    7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO (WWI)
    8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
    9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
    10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
    11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
    12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
    13- ARNSTEIN SIMON (& CO.) * S.F. *
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    Re: Button Date Help

    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe

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    us
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    Re: Button Date Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Moe (fl)
    BigCypressHunter,

    You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

    http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

    HH!
    -Moe
    That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error. If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.


 

 
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