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  1. #1
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    hand-cut keys

    Can anyone give me a date range on keys like these? They were found together in an area producing War of 1812 and fur trade relics. Any clues on what kind of locks they were used on? Thanks in advance for any info.
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    OMG... those iron keys are awesome...

    They look colonial... but I don't know.

  3. #3
    pippinwhitepaws

    Re: hand-cut keys

    i have no clue either, but i am in love with that lower key...imagine what the tumblers must look like...

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    Re: hand-cut keys

    tumbler was simple, One. These are cut for a gateway. Diferent on the one, I have no idea how old. Neat items, thanks for posting them.
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  5. #5
    seger98

    Re: hand-cut keys

    Those are the neatest keys I've seen on here!

  6. #6
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    I think banner!
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  7. #7
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    thanks for the comments, when these came out of electrolysis I about flipped out. I knew they were old before cleaning but i had no idea they were hand cut. It took me about three days to get the rust picked out of the patterns in between the tank treatments. Definetly one of my favorite finds.

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    Dec 2006
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    the neatist key ive ever seen, wonder what that lock locked up.
    also wonder if the lock would be harder to pick, with that kind of
    tumbler the key fits
    this guy g. taylor has, some keys sorta like yours
    a couple of the ones ,that sorta look like yours, are from the 1700s
    he has a store on ebay

  9. #9
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Quote Originally Posted by lostcauses
    tumbler was simple, One. These are cut for a gateway. Diferent on the one, I have no idea how old. Neat items, thanks for posting them.
    Lostcauses, can you explain what a gateway is to me. I'm clueless when it comes to lock terminology. Thanks in advance.

  10. #10

    Oct 2006
    Madison, Wisconsin
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    now those would make a good keyfob for the car keys!
    Nice finds!
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  11. #11
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    Jun 2006
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Quote Originally Posted by scratcher
    Quote Originally Posted by lostcauses
    tumbler was simple, One. These are cut for a gateway. Diferent on the one, I have no idea how old. Neat items, thanks for posting them.
    Lostcauses, can you explain what a gateway is to me. I'm clueless when it comes to lock terminology. Thanks in advance.
    Scratcher, The correct term is bit, a bit lock has wards that look like bumps. The key when turned has to be cut to pass these wards to operate the lock. Here's a simpler example. Here's a drawing of how they work (my artistic ability stinks). One trick the bad guys used to use was to cut one of these keys with the biggest cuts as possible yet leaving enough to work the lock. These got the name skeleton keys. Hope that helps explain for you!
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Thanks for the info boogeyman. I think I understand what you mean. Would keys as big as this larger example be used on padlocks? or door type locks?

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    Jun 2006
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Both. Here's one of the same type that I have in my collection. I've got an example of a door lock in the garage (tons of boxes )

    I added another drawing to the last reply to try & help clarify.
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Awesome keys scratcher!! WTG.

  15. #15

    Feb 2008
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Those keys are awesome. Banner. Jimbob

  16. #16
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    Dec 2008
    Michigan
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Boogyman. I had to change a spring in my turn of the century skeleton key door lock. It's a pretty simple locking mechanism. My question is, since the wards are shorter than the cuts in the key. Are these fancy cut designs made to identify what the key opened?

    Scratcher awesome keys!!

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  17. #17

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    Re: hand-cut keys

    boogeyman thanks for correcting gateway to ward, I do have me moments, LOL And I am not even using a gateway to post... ROTFLOL
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    Dec 2006
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Scratcher sorry thought i had posted the link
    http://stores.shop.ebay.com.sg/GTAYL...__W0QQ_armrsZ1

  19. #19
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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Quote Originally Posted by boogeyman
    Quote Originally Posted by scratcher
    Quote Originally Posted by lostcauses
    tumbler was simple, One. These are cut for a gateway. Diferent on the one, I have no idea how old. Neat items, thanks for posting them.
    Lostcauses, can you explain what a gateway is to me. I'm clueless when it comes to lock terminology. Thanks in advance.
    Scratcher, The correct term is bit, a bit lock has wards that look like bumps. The key when turned has to be cut to pass these wards to operate the lock. Here's a simpler example. Here's a drawing of how they work (my artistic ability stinks). One trick the bad guys used to use was to cut one of these keys with the biggest cuts as possible yet leaving enough to work the lock. These got the name skeleton keys. Hope that helps explain for you!
    Interesting, learn something every day.

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    Re: hand-cut keys

    Thanks cw0909, I looked on ebay when you posted, but couldn't find it. I did manage to find this awesome site below while researching:

    http://www.aschkenes.com/12th-15th%2...20Keys%202.htm

    There is also a 16th to 19th century section . I can see where these keys I found are similiar to keys from both groups. I doubt if anyone could definitively date them, but I might try sending some pictures to the people from this site to see what they have to say.

 

 

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