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  1. #1
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    Detecting Don

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    Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    I found this 1827 large cent in Eldon in Miller County, MO over the weekend and when I got the dirt cleaned off of it I noticed it had something inscribed into it. E.B. Thomas, MCH.22

    Can anyone tell me what the MCH.22 is or why someone would do this? I have looked everywhere I could think of online trying to find out who E.B. Thomas is but can't find any reference to him.

    Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

    don
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    March 22 maybe.

  3. #3
    RUDY2003

    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    This could be a Civil War soldiers I.D. disc, maybe 22nd Michigan unit? Soldiers would make these id discs or have them made for identification if they were killed or wounded. Just a gues... Cool find...

    Keep safe...

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    I think this is a copper which has been counterstamped by a business. There is a reference out there which lists these--and you may be able to find the listing in that resource. I don't have a copy of it, however.

    If the stamp is unlisted, you may wish to look for military records under that name--but I really think it's a counterstamped copper rather than an ID disc.


    Best Wishes,



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    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Three 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

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  5. #5
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    The 22nd MICH Infantry volunteers were from St. Clair, Macomb, Oakland, Livingston, Lapeer and Sanilac counties. They left Pontiac, Mich. on Sept. 4 1862 en route to central Kentucky, 997 soldiers strong. Missouri would be a little out of the way.

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    MR.

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    As a WAG...March 22, 1827 is the birthdate for E.B. Thomas.

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    Mike from MI

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    Special date coin, or ID disc. Either way a great find. Congrats!
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    Does anyone have a copy of this book?


    "Merchant Countermarks on United States Coins" by Gregory Brunk


    (I don't--but with the whole name on the coin, it has a good shot of being identified if it is a counterstamp)


    In my mind, odds are this is a counterstamp--since it is punched into the face of the coin. If it were a personalized one, then the information would've been scratched in with a knife, rather than purchasing a circular punch with the information set into it.



    -Buckles
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Three 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  9. #9
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    No E.B. Thomas on the roster of the 22nd Michigan Volunteer Infantry Regiment.

  10. #10
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    Detecting Don

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    I think I found it!!! Let me know if you agree.

    Hon. Elihu B. Thomas, the father of Augustus Thomas, the well known playwright, died in St. Louis, April 25, 1910. He was born in New York, March 22, 1827, and has lived in St. Louis since 1845. He was a captain in the Mexican War, and nt the establishment of the St. Louis Dispatch was its pubJisher. He was a member of the Missouri Legislature, of the House of the Twenty-second General Assembly in 1862.

    This coin was found in Eldon, MO which is 30 miles south of the Missouri State Capital.

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  11. #11
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    Seeker of lost treasure's

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    tag
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  12. #12
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    Quote Originally Posted by OutBack Duo
    I think I found it!!! Let me know if you agree.

    Hon. Elihu B. Thomas, the father of Augustus Thomas, the well known playwright, died in St. Louis, April 25, 1910. He was born in New York, March 22, 1827, and has lived in St. Louis since 1845. He was a captain in the Mexican War, and nt the establishment of the St. Louis Dispatch was its pubJisher. He was a member of the Missouri Legislature, of the House of the Twenty-second General Assembly in 1862.

    This coin was found in Eldon, MO which is 30 miles south of the Missouri State Capital.

    Maybe. But was MCH commonly used to abbreviate March? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCH
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  13. #13
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    Detecting Don

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by OutBack Duo
    I think I found it!!! Let me know if you agree.

    Hon. Elihu B. Thomas, the father of Augustus Thomas, the well known playwright, died in St. Louis, April 25, 1910. He was born in New York, March 22, 1827, and has lived in St. Louis since 1845. He was a captain in the Mexican War, and nt the establishment of the St. Louis Dispatch was its pubJisher. He was a member of the Missouri Legislature, of the House of the Twenty-second General Assembly in 1862.

    This coin was found in Eldon, MO which is 30 miles south of the Missouri State Capital.

    Maybe. But was MCH commonly used to abbreviate March? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCH

    I have seen it a bunch of times on old Obituaries and births for example: http://www.roanetnheritage.com/resea.../wpa/wpa05.htm
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  14. #14
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    Mar 2009
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    Well, if it wasn't his, it should have been.

  15. #15
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    I still think you should check the book for the counterstamp...I will search the forum to sees who has a copy...



    If it is in there, then it is not an ID disc.



    Otherwise, sure--your theory seems to match well.




    -Buckles
    Spring 2012 CaneField Bandits Totals:
    TEN Half Reales:
    1740, 1777, 1784, 1796, 1801, 180?, 1806, 1807, 1808, and 1814
    1836 8 Reales
    A 17?? One Real
    1819 Token/Jeton
    Two "Russian Blue" Trade Beads
    Henry Clay Campaign Button
    FIVE Early New Orleans Seated Coins:
    1838-O Dime (no stars), Three 1839-O Half Dimes, an 1840-O Dime, and an 1842-O Half Dime
    1892 Barber Dime
    1918 Walking Liberty Half
    1866 and 18?? Shield Nickels, and some GawGag V's and Beefaloes.
    Military Relics:
    Possible Spanish Colonial Era Cap Badge
    FOUR War of 1812 Artillery Buttons
    1820s Pewter Militia "U.S." Button
    CW Eagle Artillery Cuff Button
    CW Eagle Infantry Officer's Coat Button
    3-Ringers, Enfields, Musketballs, and Shell Fragments

    Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my finds posts were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.

  16. #16
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it

    Quote Originally Posted by OutBack Duo
    I think I found it!!! Let me know if you agree.

    Hon. Elihu B. Thomas, the father of Augustus Thomas, the well known playwright, died in St. Louis, April 25, 1910. He was born in New York, March 22, 1827, and has lived in St. Louis since 1845. He was a captain in the Mexican War, and nt the establishment of the St. Louis Dispatch was its pubJisher. He was a member of the Missouri Legislature, of the House of the Twenty-second General Assembly in 1862.

    This coin was found in Eldon, MO which is 30 miles south of the Missouri State Capital.

    How cool is that! Great research!

    DCMatt
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  17. #17
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    Way to go OutBack, I would say you solved it!

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    SWEET

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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    My WAG was correct...birthdate
    The more one learns the more he understands his ignorance. I am simply an ignor ant man trying to lessen his ignorance
    Those with the most birthdays live the longest

  20. #20
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    Re: Large Cent with a name inscribed on it...I FOUND OUT WHO THE OWNER WAS!

    Outback, I think you nailed it
    "The best discriminator is a shovel"

 

 
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