"Cut" coin ID needed

[Woodland Detectors]

Interesting Bit. What is it?Thanks!

[johnnyi]

It looks like "2 bits". It is really neat. The Spanish reales were cut this way intentionally to make "small change", thus "a piece of eight" etc.. King Philip was the ruler, and you can look him up to see an approximate date. It is very cool. I wish I could find a cut piece like that.

[DCMatt]

It looks like "2 bits". It is really neat. The Spanish reales were cut this way intentionally to make "small change", thus "a piece of eight" etc.. King Philip was the ruler, and you can look him up to see an approximate date. It is very cool. I wish I could find a cut piece like that.

Johnnyi is correct - cut reale! SUPER COOL! Possibly a 2 bit or 1/4 of an 8 reale. Worth 25 cents back then. Or may be from a smaller reale. Either way, great find!

Ever heard that old sports cheer? "Two bits, four bits, six bits, a dollar. All for (insert team name) stand up and holler!" Our American dollar was based on the old Spanish 8 reale.

DCMatt

[Bigcypresshunter]

It looks like "2 bits". It is really neat. The Spanish reales were cut this way intentionally to make "small change", thus "a piece of eight" etc.. King Philip was the ruler, and you can look him up to see an approximate date. It is very cool. I wish I could find a cut piece like that.

Yep, definitely a "piece of eight," Mike, a very cool find! http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.p...,218469.0.html

[Bigcypresshunter]

That bit is very old. I would say, without studying it, that it is at least 1746 or older. Look for King Phillip.
http://metaldetectingworld.com/coins...r_reales.shtml

The Real was often divided into pie-shaped wedges or pieces to make change; an eight real coin, for example, could be cut into eight pieces valued at one Real each. Each of these pieces was referred to as a "bit," which was a wedge-shaped piece of silver equal to 1 Real in metal weight and monetary exchange value. Currency was based on the price of silver, and the colonists generally used the Spanish milled dollar over other forms of silver currency. The Spanish Real was favored because it had a milled edge which would deter the shaving of silver from the edge of the coin.

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think this is your coin. Ill cut it out when I get a chance.

ADDED: This isnt it but very similar.

[AU24K]

Big Cy, close but not a cigar yet. If you look, you'll see a dot below the lettering on the OP. Your example has a four sided design below the "I" and "L". Check this example.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DESIRABLE-1725-S...3A1%7C294%3A30


Scott

[Bigcypresshunter]

Big Cy, close but not a cigar yet. If you look, you'll see a dot below the lettering on the OP. Your example has a four sided design below the "I" and "L".
Scott

yep I noticed that. close but no cigar yep. It may be older.

[AU24K]

Big Cy, close but not a cigar yet. If you look, you'll see a dot below the lettering on the OP. Your example has a four sided design below the "I" and "L".
Scott

yep I noticed that. close but no cigar yep. It may be older.

3 years newer, me thinks.
Scott

[Bigcypresshunter]

Someone will ID it. It must be a King Phillip shield type. . I found this online.

They were produced in denominations of one, two, four and eight reales under Philip II (1556-1598) and Philip III (1598-1621). A half real cob was added under Philip IV (1621-1665). Cobs continued to be produced through the reigns of Charles II (1665-1700), Philip V (1700-1724 and 1725-1746), Louis I (1725), Ferdinand VI (1746-1759) and Charles III (1759-1788). The obverse of a cob displays the crowned Hapsburg shield with the mintmark and assayer initial to the left and the denomination to the right of the shield. The legend, although frequently missing from the planchet, is some variation of the name of the king with DEI GRATIA (By the Grace of God). The reverse displays the arms of Castile and Leon within a quatrefoil design. The arms are similar to those on the Charles and Johanna pre cob silver coins but the two intersecting lines, dividing the shield into quadrants, are emphasized so that they represent a cross in the center of the shield with the castle and lion images in their respective corners. The legend is some form of REX HISPANIARUM ET INDIARUM (Of the Spains and the Indies - as found in the pre cobs). Starting in the seventeenth century most cobs were dated but this information was added to the obverse legend and was usually not picked up in the stamping of the coin.

[AU24K]

http://cgi.ebay.com/DESIRABLE-1725-S...3A1%7C294%3A30
Scott

[Bigcypresshunter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/DESIRABLE-1725-S...3A1%7C294%3A30
Scott

I was just going to post. I see you found a 2 reale with the same Assayer. The date we do not know but I think the Assayer Mark is "J" (circled). I rotated for a better view. This may narrow it down. Post in the Spanish cob section and those guys will tell you in a second. http://atochatreasures.com/grading.htm

[AU24K]

Like this, from my link?
Scott

[Bigcypresshunter]

Like this, from my link?
Scott

Yes. Like I said, it seems you have found a 2 reale with the same Assayer mark. I was posting as you found it. I think its a "J" (under the II reale). But I do not know when or where that Assayers mark was used. It was apparently used in 1725, but I dont see it here. http://atochatreasures.com/grading.htm I just dont know enough about these coins.

[Bigcypresshunter]

Using your pic, Scott, I believe I have made the cut.

[Bigcypresshunter]

maybe something here. Phillip shield design.
http://www.melfisher.com/Library/AtochaCoin/Assayer.asp
Im thinking it is not an Assayer mark but something else..

[IronSpike]

An excellent coin relic and great ID on same

I like the seated Liberty too Both found same area?

[Woodland Detectors]

thanks I.S. No, I found the dime a couple weeks ago around here but, The war stuff is near you.

[DCMatt]

good stuff guys! So, are we talking 1700,s?

Yes. Mid 1700's for the coin.

Keep in mind that Reales were legal tender in the USA through the 1850's.

DCMatt

[IronSpike]

good stuff guys! So, are we talking 1700,s?

Yes. Mid 1700's for the coin.

Keep in mind that Reales were legal tender in the USA through the 1850's.

DCMatt

In which era was coin clipping more common?

thanks I.S. No, I found the dime a couple weeks ago around here but, The war stuff is near you.

The war stuff just a few miles from office complex