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    Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Hi All,
    On my last visit to the 'Grenade' farm I dug this - very deep!
    Do you get spindle whorls this long? All the ones I've found so far (and seen on the net) are short and fat - this one is around 27mm long, 19mm wide in middle.
    If not spindle whorl what could it be? Any idea of age?

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    Thanks in advance.
    David.

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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    It's a spindle whirl or a weight of some kind, if that's any help
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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Quote Originally Posted by shaun7
    It's a spindle whirl or a weight of some kind, if that's any help
    We find many of these on our sites. I also thought them to be late medieval weights for? (not sure) I chuck them with all the low alpha lead.
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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Cool find DavidBeard I wouldn't know how to date them. Being made of lead does that help the date range

    http://wf4.nl/Engels/index/indexengelsspinsteenlood.htm

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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    David, I know some of your finds in the U.K. that often look similar to ours are often for completely different usages. If it helps though, I have scanned too varieties of net weights which I've found in the U.S.. . I seem to remember finding some with a more pronounced angle like yours, but I'll have to look harder to find them.

    The first group is the more modern solid weight which dates from the mid to late 19th century through the early 20th.

    The second group is from the late 18th century through the early 19th century. Weights from this early period are almost always cast flat, and then bent around the net rope rather than the rope threading through as the later ones do.
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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi
    David, I know some of your finds in the U.K. that often look similar to ours are often for completely different usages. If it helps though, I have scanned too varieties of net weights which I've found in the U.S.. . I seem to remember finding some with a more pronounced angle like yours, but I'll have to look harder to find them.

    The first group is the more modern solid weight which dates from the mid to late 19th century through the early 20th.

    The second group is from the late 18th century through the early 19th century. Weights from this early period are almost always cast flat, and then bent around the net rope rather than the rope threading through as the later ones do.
    I agree proberbly net weights....trouble is these are a common find, and are very difficult to place ID, and time frame.

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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Thanks for all the help so far guys.
    I guess this will have to end up as an uncertain lead weight of uncertain age!

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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBeard
    Thanks for all the help so far guys.
    I guess this will have to end up as an uncertain lead weight of uncertain age!
    Thats UK detecting. We know the least about the most common
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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    I was going through some of my lead this morning and I dug this out. It seems to be the same design as David's. It's sometimes easier to date these weights over here, mostly because I've found many on one single homestead. It's easier to see the evolution from the oldest style of bent weight, to the highly white powdered round weight , to eventually the longer weights which along with some styles of rounds, are almost always much nearer the surface and have less whitening to the lead. Judging from the relics and coins I find with this particular style of weight, I'd date it in the last quertar of the 19th century. (almost all my weights that I find here are barely worn, probably due to the grass and sand bottom of the bay)
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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    David. Here in the states I have found two of these as well.
    Although they were crafted with the indigenous "red clay".
    They are identical....Interesting

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    Re: Lead Spindle Whorl??

    Quote Originally Posted by 4-H
    David. Here in the states I have found two of these as well.
    Although they were crafted with the indigenous "red clay".
    They are identical....Interesting
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyi
    ...I was going through some of my lead this morning and I dug this out. It seems to be the same design...
    Thanks guys! Very interesting - I think I'll leave this open a little longer - Got a meeting at the Museum in December - I'll bring it up there.
    Is it possible that you could get a picture up of the Red Clay ones?
    Thanks.

 

 

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