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  1. #1
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    Some Help Please

    I found this brass piece the other day and wonder what it went to?
    It has been engraved and I can't seem to make it out.
    I can read " wisdom is practical"
    So what is it and what does it say?
    Thanks for your help
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Some Help Please-dunno-005.jpg   Some Help Please-dunno-004.jpg  

  2. #2
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    Re: Some Help Please

    What ever it is, it is one extremely cool find! Is there any possibility it could be a side plate to a very early musket or matchlock?
    johnnyi

  3. #3
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    Re: Some Help Please

    i tried to get the letters more visible.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Some Help Please-fr..jpg  
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  4. #4
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    Re: Some Help Please

    I dont know...and I cant read it ....but I do know that in the Bible...The Book of Proverbs ...is known as the pratical wisdom book....maybe its a bible verse...
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  5. #5
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Hill billy, we don't know how large this is. If large, I'll stick with possibility of a very early sideplate. If it's smaller though, it might possibly be part of the case to a folding medical lancet
    johnnyi

  6. #6
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Here's another pic for size.
    I can see writing on both pieces, and may have something to do with the book of proverbs as Gypsy suggests. Wish I could clean it up better to read. It came from an old house site that early coppers and buckles were found. I have no clue what this piece is, gun part, lance. Just wish I could read it.
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  7. #7
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    Re: Some Help Please

    I downloaded your pic, enlarged it, and did a contrast, and it reads:
    Most of all Judy, "Wisdom is practical." Yes, Proverbs is the Book of wisdom, but I cannot find a Bible verse that says, 'Wisdom is Practical." Breezie
    Every time I watch Gone With The Wind, I think we're gonna win this time!

  8. #8
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBreeze426
    I downloaded your pic, enlarged it, and did a contrast, and it reads:
    Most of all Judy, "Wisdom is practical." Yes, Proverbs is the Book of wisdom, but I cannot find a Bible verse that says, 'Wisdom is Practical." Breezie
    There's more there than that Breeze. I don't think it's 'Judy", but may be "study". Then there are two more words before "wisdom is practical".
    johnnyi

  9. #9
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBreeze426
    I downloaded your pic, enlarged it, and did a contrast, and it reads:
    Most of all Judy, "Wisdom is practical." Yes, Proverbs is the Book of wisdom, but I cannot find a Bible verse that says, 'Wisdom is Practical." Breezie
    Ok now I can see Most of all Judy, but there is still more script after Judy.
    Of course top center looks like RD to me.
    Thanks Breezie

  10. #10
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    Re: Some Help Please

    I think the 2 marks before the word wisdom are quotations marks. Do you mean there are 2 more words on the left broken handle piece? I'm thinking since it is about 'study' and 'wisdom,' maybe it is some type of book or writing desk plate. Is it engraved? If so, can you put a piece of thin white paper over the writings, and then rub it with carbon paper?
    Every time I watch Gone With The Wind, I think we're gonna win this time!

  11. #11
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    Re: Some Help Please

    More pics.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Some Help Please-dunno-029.jpg   Some Help Please-dunno-030.jpg   Some Help Please-dunno-031.jpg  

  12. #12
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Okay, since the name Judy is what I call a more modern name than this plate and there are more letters, maybe the name is longer, and it is something like Judezeld or the words: Study well
    Since it is talking about wisdom, it could be an antique book cover plate/clasp. Here are some pics.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Some Help Please-1book.jpg   Some Help Please-2book.jpg   Some Help Please-3book.jpg  
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  13. #13
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    Best find 1817 Large Cent

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    Re: Some Help Please

    Perhaps it says "As the object of all study, and the end of all wisdom, is practical utility"


    Preface
    The Household Cyclopedia 1881

    http://www.mspong.org/cyclopedia/preface.html

    HH,
    Donny
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  14. #14
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    Aug 2009
    The Ozarks, Missouri
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Strange request but can you post a very close-up of the word wisdom?

    Doug

  15. #15
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    Oct 2006
    New Zealand
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by djabend
    Perhaps it says "As the object of all study, and the end of all wisdom, is practical utility"


    Preface
    The Household Cyclopedia 1881

    http://www.mspong.org/cyclopedia/preface.html

    HH,
    Donny
    I'll vote for Donny's brilliant detective work!!

    Mike

  16. #16
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    Aug 2009
    Napa california
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Thats a tough one, looks like the larger hole is set up for a screw to be either flush or counter sunk

  17. #17
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    Apr 2007
    Missouri
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    Re: Some Help Please

    One of the best what is its I have seen.
    Have detector, Will Travel  
                                           RJW

  18. #18
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Quote Originally Posted by djabend
    Perhaps it says "As the object of all study, and the end of all wisdom, is practical utility"


    Preface
    The Household Cyclopedia 1881

    http://www.mspong.org/cyclopedia/preface.html

    HH,
    Donny
    Donny, I believe you are correct. Great job, I would have never figured that one out.
    Now what did this brass piece go to?
    In the one photo of the back of the piece there appears to be 4 letters. They may help with identifying what the brass piece was used for.
    Thanks again everyone for there help so far.

  19. #19
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    Re: Some Help Please

    Try to do a rubbing of it. You may find your answer.
    Stand up for what's right, even if your standing alone.

  20. #20
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    May 2009
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    Re: Some Help Please

    here is another view
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