need help id'ing these bullets please

[fbjr]

found these this past summer but don't really know much about bullets and ammunition. I would appreciate any info. Thanks
Frank


Sorry guys, hope this helps.

[DCMatt]

There are plenty of bullet experts here. I'm not one of them. But you need to put something in the pic for a size reference - like a dime or penny or ruler or other common item.

In my opinion, your bullets are all fairly modern.

Welcome to Treasurenet.

DCMatt

[TiredIron]

DCMatt's correct...........really needs a caliper measurement of diameter. In lew of that if they're about .45 the one on the left looks like a modern "Keith" design semi-wadcutter in 44 or 45 caliber.
The remaining two look like 45 ACP 230gn Ball FMJ from 1904 till still in use today. Both styles are very popular.

TiredIron

I know its not obvious to non-shooters.... but we could really help you out a lot more
if you'd always have three things....Pictures from three views (including the bottom), Actual diameter measured with a caliper(micrometer even better), and exact weight in Grains. (exact weight in any type, we'll do the math).
Give us this information and we can tell you almost "who-What-When-Where-and Why.....and damn near what they had for breakfast. What we don't know for sure....we can make up and it'll sound good!

[Monty]

I think you got it tirediron. No matter how many times I ask for dimensions on bullets, no one seems to be listening. I give up. Monty

[fbjr]

I don't have anything to measure the diameter or to weigh these with. I'm doing the best I can with what I have and that's why I am here asking for help. I appreciate any info/help I can get. As for the smart comments, I can deal with it cuz I can dish it out as well.

[TiredIron]

Thanks for the additional pics......still a tough call. Just eyeballing and guessing.
1. Looks like it might be a .35 ish rifle bullet.
2. Looks like it might be about .40-.41cal (still a Keith style) Semi-Wadcutter (Modern)
3. Is definately a 45 ACP 230gr FMJ....1904 till now...still very popular.
Thats my best guess.

TiredIron


Come on Monty......never give up!

[Breezie]

Hello fbjr, WELCOME to the forum. There is a wealth of info here. Sorry to say I'm not one of the bullet experts, but I will say they do not look like CW bullets, and are more modern. Breezie

[fbjr]

Thanks for the quick posts and info guys ! I think the 1st one on the far left could possibly be civil war related, not what I think to be very common but there's one that looks very similar in a book that I have. They call it a 3inch (76mm) rifle bolt. It's the closest thing I can find on my own that has 2 lines acrossed it and 1 line going the length of it. My parents live right smack-dab in the middle of where the Elmira prison camp was so I hope to find more civil war related items.

[TiredIron]

Good luck in your research Sir............thats half the fun.
3 inch (76mm) seeeeems a little large. Keep us informed.

Carry on & Keep digging.

[fbjr]

Oh my gosh am I stupid or what ? lol you are correct sir about the 3inch bullet, this one is way smaller then that. It looks just like the one in the picture of this book but I didn't take into consideration that the picture has been shrunken down to fit the book page LOL Sorry, I feel ashamed for overlooking that WOW hahahaha

[TiredIron]

"WELCOME to the Club Sir!"
Everybodies been here....done this....got the T-shirt.
Its all in good fun. After you've done this several times (like I have) you learn how fast you can delete stuff before only a couple hundred people see it....
We knew what you meant.

[Monty]

I don't see any smart remarks and there is no need to dish anything out. If you are referring to me, I am not trying to be smart, just informed. I am pretty informed on bullets, especially modern ones and yours shown could be no older than about 1908 when the first .45 ACP bullets were introduced for testing by the Army, if they are .45 caliber. (I use to have about 4 or 5 of those test rounds but gave them away to a collector). The first bullet is a cast lead bullet of the semi-wadcutter variety, probably .44 or .45 caliber depending on the diameter and weight. The first .44 magnum bullets were cast lead semi-wadcutters that look similar to that and date from about 1958. Prior to that Elmer Keith developed a similar designed bullet for super hot loads in the old .44 Special which led to the development of the .44 magnum. The .44 Special was the eventual successor to the old .44 S& W break top revolver and the Scofield designs. Now that I've said all that I see you posted some new pics with a ruler that helps and I think the bullets are probably all .45 caliber. The jacketed ones are likely .45 ACP that I have mentioned and someone else did elsewhere. The lead ones are likely .45 Colts (sometimes erroneously referred to as the .45 Long Colt). Since they are semi-wadcutters they are likely a result of someone's handloads. The original .45 Colts bullets were round nosed. I guess I said enough for now, probably more than you ever wanted to know. And by George you did listen and put them with a ruler that helped immensly! Stick around I enjoyed your finds and looking forward to your future finds. And remember , I am not really a smart a_ _, Just old and grumpy! Monty

[fbjr]

wow, that's why I love this place.......you guys always know your stuff. Thank you very much for the info !!!!