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    IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    I found these about ten feet apart at six inches or so. I also found sixteen silver dimes and around forty wheaties, the earliest dated 1918 at the same site. One side has W.S.B and the other GREENSBORO,NC. They are made of lead and have remnants of an iron wire through them.
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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?



    Bags, Bales or Sack seal

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    yep their seals. -- salt , sacks of stuff , cloth and such.

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan salis
    yep their seals. -- salt , sacks of stuff , cloth and such.
    How old are they? Are they common finds? Any value?

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    that I do not know -- the company name or persons name would of course be the WSB --the bussiness would be in greensboro , nc of course --could be tabacco bales -- cloth, salt or anything transported in bags or bales in bulk . the seals were used to prevent any one snitching a bit of "whatever" out of the bag or bale or cutting a bit of cloth off the end of the bolt of fabric. --- to get into the bag or bale they would have to break the seal .

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by CKaufman
    Quote Originally Posted by ivan salis
    yep their seals. -- salt , sacks of stuff , cloth and such.
    How old are they? Are they common finds? Any value?
    They couldn't be any older than 1808 because the city of Greensboro, NC was not established until that time. I think your seals are for COTTON, and they are circa 1828-1833 because Henry Humphreys (the wealthiest man in town)had the first steam-powered Cotton Mill in North Carolina. By 1833 75 looms were in production, and cotton cloth was being exported to neighboring counties and states.

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Correct me if Im wrong but I dont think they are cloth seals. I always thought the cloth seal was without wire. I think they could be railroad boxcar, meter or anything that would need protection from tampering. The wires have rusted off. Second pic is blurry.
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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Correct me if Im wrong but I dont think they are cloth seals. I always thought the cloth seal were without wire. I think they could be railroad boxcar, meter or anything that would need protection from tampering. The wires have rusted off.
    Quite right BigC..... there Bag, or Bale seals, or as you say for something that would need protecting from tampering

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    I thought bag seals look like this.
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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    BCH, yes, they 'could' be (although I think they are cotton seals) RR seals because a railroad was established in 1856, which was used to carry the cotton cloth. All of this is quite interesting because Burlington Industries/Burlington Coat Factory of today was all a direct result of the cotton and railroad during the Victorian times. Breezie
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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    I thought bag seals look like this.
    They use the wire through the centre, like the one posted

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...=21009&cat=131

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    I thought bag seals look like this.
    They use the wire through the centre, like the one posted

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...=21009&cat=131

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    The bulla - a disc with a tunnel from side to side through which a string or wire is passed - became a popular form of seal during the 18th century. It was found to be more versatile than the rivet-type seals hitherto used on cloth, as it could be attached to a wider range of goods, including the bags, bales and sacks in which they were distributed. (quote from link)

    OK thanks. Good link and I think that explains it.

    So is it like the pictures I posted or something older? I remember having a seal like this on my electric meter first installed in the 60's.
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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher
    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    I thought bag seals look like this.
    They use the wire through the centre, like the one posted

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...=21009&cat=131

    SS
    The bulla - a disc with a tunnel from side to side through which a string or wire is passed - became a popular form of seal during the 18th century. It was found to be more versatile than the rivet-type seals hitherto used on cloth, as it could be attached to a wider range of goods, including the bags, bales and sacks in which they were distributed.

    OK thanks. I think that explains it.
    Looking at it again, the remainders of the wire, do look heavier than the ones used on bag seals.....so you may be right

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    I guess its hard to put a date to it. A side view may help. Apparently they have used these seals for several hundred years.

    Maybe the key here is to ID W.S.B. It doesnt sound like a railroad or electric company so maybe you can just ignore anything I said. I ask and I learn.

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    Re: IS THIS A BAG OR CLOTH SEAL?

    the "anti tampering" wire type security type seal is a bit later time frame wize -- which helps a bit but its still got a broad time frame --the letters and town shown would most likely be the best way to age it --if a match bussiness wize can be found -- a company or person WSB -- in GREENSBORO , NC -- as breezie says must be post 1808 since "greensboro" did not exist before then . cotton bale tag would be a good guess being the textile industy and cotton trade in the area

 

 
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