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  1. #31
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    I guess I didnt look hard enough. Heres another one on eBay but no information. It does show a picture of the back that may help date it..

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vintage-bronze...item439a7acff1

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  2. #32
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    The iron shank must have been inserted into the molten brass casting.
    Heres some info on these buttons:

    http://www.daacs.org/aboutDatabase/p...ng/Buttons.pdf


    Molten metal was poured into a button mold and allowed to harden. The button would have characteristic mold seams most likely on the back of the button and possibly the eye. Some buttons had cast eyes (with mold marks) and others were cast with an iron or brass wire shank placed into the mold. Hinks (1988:60) notes that most cast buttons from the early 18th century are pewter, but by the mid-18th century large numbers of cast brass and copper (i.e. copper alloy) buttons were produced.

  3. #33
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigcypresshunter
    There are those of us here like IronSpike that are seasoned veteran metal detectorists and bring their first hand knowlege of finds to the table. Then there are others that are great googlists or have a library of books.. Some of us bring knowlege from our trades, such as working as a locksmith or demolition of old buildings.. Others like myself gather knowlege from all places, collecting since a child, buying and selling antiques and, in the past 5 years, researching online as a hobby. I didnt even know how to use a computer when I first joined to post a find. I dont make many good finds anymore but Ive found the internet to be a tremendous tool. Its the combination as a whole that works well here in TN's What Is It forum.
    Totally agree!
    I bring very little to the table except my ability to google information,but if it's there to be used and it helps or solves a question then thats what counts..right?
    In my time here,reading about the amount of strange,weird and wonderful objects found and identified by forum members,and the amount of time and sheer dedication put in (in which you seem to be the master at )it never ceases to leave me amazed.
    Like yourself,i find the internet to be a tremendous tool which helps with problems and knowledge.It's something else that always amazes me.You can google anything..Madagaskan tree frog dung...two headed sheep from Chernobyl...Annie Oakleys preference in boots and laces...and someone somewhere will have uploaded an article or pics!!!

    Anyhow..i respect the dedication and results from all members here from whichever source,and the fact that nobody ever gets to know how many hours have been spent in researching an item,especially when we fail to find anything.I salute you all!

  4. #34
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dano Sverige

    Totally agree!
    I bring very little to the table except my ability to google information,but if it's there to be used and it helps or solves a question then thats what counts..right?
    Yes its the end result that counts here. Googling possibly solves more than field experience. And it takes an experienced googlist (word?) to know how to search.

    http://www.infochembio.ethz.ch/links...aub_ruder.html



    No green check G?

  5. #35
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    Lol..the nets an amazing place BCH,gotta love those Madagaskan tree frogs!!

  6. #36
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    I want to add that as great a tool as the net has become, you cannot throw away your books just yet. Gore's internet has a lot of mistakes and its hard to beat a great reference book.

  7. #37
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    Im still wondering why the little hole is there, its on every example that I see of the same piece
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  8. #38
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdsarasin8194
    Im still wondering why the little hole is there, its on every example that I see of the same piece
    I am wondering about that myself. Its some kind of mold mark and I hope someone can explain it to us. I have observed the same dimple on an old pewter button and on old lead drapery/coat weights. The casting process that produces this little hole may help date it.
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  9. #39
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    I was wondering the same thing.

  10. #40
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    Sep 2011
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    Re: Religious medallion or button.

    What would a real "SIT NOMEN DOMINI BENEDICTUM 1791" button be worth?

  11. #41

    Jul 2012
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    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    I have the exact same button. It seems to be painted or plated as well.. not so brilliantly gold, but more of a frosted gold color. My button also has the same circular "hole" although it doesn't go all the way through, of course. It's more like a little crater. If this is a reproduction of the coin, I am still wondering when the reproduction occurred!
    Elise

  12. #42
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    That's green for sure, Great work Dano!

    I didn't think it looked like a coin..

    Nice Find!!
    Desire is oft more pleasant than acquisition

 

 
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